this post was submitted on 06 Aug 2023
172 points (93.9% liked)

Star Trek

10571 readers
241 users here now

r/startrek: The Next Generation

Star Trek news and discussion. No slash fic...

Maybe a little slash fic.


New to Star Trek and wondering where to start?


Rules

1 Be constructiveAll posts/comments must be thoughtful and balanced.


2 Be welcomingIt is important that everyone from newbies to OG Trekkers feel welcome, no matter their gender, sexual orientation, religion or race.


3 Be truthfulAll posts/comments must be factually accurate and verifiable. We are not a place for gossip, rumors, or manipulative or misleading content.


4 Be niceIf a polite way cannot be found to phrase what it is you want to say, don't say anything at all. Insulting or disparaging remarks about any human being are expressly not allowed.


5 SpoilersUtilize the spoiler system for any and all spoilers relating to the most recently-aired episodes, as well as previews for upcoming episodes. There is no formal spoiler protection for episodes/films after they have been available for approximately one week.


6 Keep on-topicAll submissions must be directly about the Star Trek franchise (the shows, movies, books etc.). Off-topic discussions are welcome at c/quarks.


7 MetaQuestions and concerns about moderator actions should be brought forward via DM.


Upcoming Episodes

Date Episode Title
11-28 LD 5x07 "Fully Dilated"
12-05 LD 5x08 "Upper Decks"
12-12 LD 5x09 "Fissue Quest"
12-19 LD 5x10 "The New Next Generation"
01-24 Film "Section 31"

Episode Discussion Archive


In Production

Strange New Worlds (2025)

Section 31 (2025-01-24)

Starfleet Academy (TBA)

In Development

Untitled comedy series


Wondering where to stream a series? Check here.


Allied Discord Server


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

My Dear Gen X,

My joints hurt just as bad as yours do and we need to talk about "Strange New Worlds"...

Guys, it's really good.

I know you. Your parents are old and sick and you're wondering how they'll manage. I know your kids have gotta finish strong in high school this year. I know your spouse is not perfect.

Watch this show and let it carry you back to the reasons you loved Star Trek when you were a kid. I know you, and I know this is what you need right now.

Maybe you are...

1.) One of those that saw Mr. Spock on our parents' black and white TV in the 60s or 70s and thought that he had a perfectly reasonable approach to life. At least to an 8-year-old.

2.) That girl back in grade 10 who had a really unhealthy relationship with Deanna Troi because of some previous life trauma.

3.) Like my father, you liked the skimpy outfits (...no, protect, protect... you know the one) but also, AHEM... more importantly he likened Spock's experiences to his own as an immigrant.

3.) One of the uber nerds back in grade 7 that lit up the local BBS or early Usenet with fierce discussions of Kirk's superiority over Picard.

4.) Re-watching old episodes of TNG (God bless you BBC America) and it makes you feel like you're visiting with old friends.

5.) A lover of competence porn. Don't you wish your team at work had the competence and work ethic of Star Fleet? I love watching Miles having coffee (double strong, double sweet) with his sleeves rolled up getting ready to put in some hard hours.

6.) Your dad watched TOS in his dorm room in college. You watched DS9 in your first apartment when you moved out.

Listen guys, make the time for the show. I know you've gotta go walk the dog because the kids never do. But seriously remember the reasons you got into Star Trek when you were young.

There no such thing as time travel. But this show will remind you about the things you loved about Star Trek.

And if you're one of those fans that cares about canon and timelines and are rightly concerned about the show runner's respect for the source material... Put it like this, the show scores enough points to allow loose standards when it comes to canon.

Discovery doesn't feel right. Lower Decks is awesome but scratches a different itch. I never watched Prodigy (sorry). This show is a gift to us in our old age.

This is modern Star Trek at it finest.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] QubaXR 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

As a fellow GenX I could not agree more. I was absolutely hyped when Trek returned to cinemas only to get increasingly disappointed by a "star wars reboot proof of concept" approach to the movies.

When Discovery came around I was all in, but soon it turned into a shooting gallery pew pew show and became the first Trek show I abandoned mid-way.

Picard was a confusing mess where they made friends with Borg only to fight Borg next season... and then ended to the crowd's applause because showrunners drowned it in memberberries.

Strange New Worlds is about discoveries and relationships and science. It's goofier than TOS or TNG but in a nice, friendly way. It does not try to be edgy or shocking - it feels fresh and engaging, just like TNG, DS9 and VOY felt when they were first broadcast.

I guess we're just about to wrap up the second season, so it may be too early to call - but SNW is way on the way to becoming my favorite Trek, not just of the modern era but of all time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I agree with you on everything but Strange New Worlds being goofier than TOS or TNG??? Trouble with Tribbles and Sub Rosa would like some words

[–] QubaXR 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What I mean is not the comedy episodes, but general demeanor of characters. Lots of little silly quirks that are more common in sitcom characters than navy/explorers that the federation is.

Personally I love it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Oh I see, yeah that makes sense

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree with everything you’ve said, but would add that I yearn for a return to the season length of TOS, or TNG.

These 10 episode seasons, or eight in some cases, since streaming’s become the default, are for the birds.

[–] QubaXR 1 points 1 year ago

As a viewer I'd love to have (more than) twice the amount of episodes. Knowing the reality of TV/film production though - it would come at a cost of quality. We'd see filler episodes, we'd have much less elaborate sets, plotlines...

I think quality is better than quantity in most cases.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

competence porn

That's really a key point. Transitioning from a world where Dan Quayle got eviscerated for 'potatoe' to a Trump presidency (or Johnson, Berlusconi, Putin, Abbot, AfD, blablabla) has left scars and certain needs when it comes to entertainment.

Reverse that polarity on the deflector and match the harmonic frequency. Mmmmm.

[–] RickRussell_CA 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I need you to explain that with a simple analogy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Like putting too much air into a balloon!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The show is just good TV. The acting is good. The music is too. The writing is very good to the point they are confident enough to push limits, get meta, and rebuff the audience's expectations while still consistently delivering. Even the least of the episodes is well worth the watch even if it is just the once.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

@Burstar Dang, Jim! it has one of the best openings of all series. Maybe the best so far.

[–] SurrealRaven 17 points 1 year ago

The best Star Trek since The Orville! :)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have to agree, Strange New Worlds is, hands down, the best Trek this side of TNG. I couldn't get into Discovery because it's too E D G Y. Like, it feels like the showrunners discovered emo a generation too late, and the whole show should basically be a linewire music video set to Three Days Grace or Linkin Park. It's fucking insufferable, I just can't reconcile that with Star Trek.

Lower Decks and Prodigy are both great, but don't feel like real entries into the Trek universe and therefore are just kinda time sinks to keep you from being alone with your thoughts and reflecting on the void.

Picard was also sort of in the same boat as Discovery in terms of Edge while also trying to be a murder mystery and also a 'Member Berries special.

[–] ieightpi 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Great write up dude.

I'm not the generation your talking to but that's fine I just wanted to comment on how well spoken your post was. I was being potty trained when Locutus of Borg striked fear into my tiny heart.

SNW can be the best trek in decades. If it can keep up this quality and get atleast 5 seasons, it will be remember very highly and likely more so than prime 90s trek.

Id love Anson Mount to be the new face of Trek. He's a stellar guy and he does a great Pike.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you my Dude. I was super high when I wrote it. ;)

[–] ieightpi 2 points 1 year ago

lol makes the context of the post even better

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I'm 50 and I approve of this post and SNW.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

It's a good show though I really wish they went back to 26 episode seasons. Sure they won't all be hits but there's something to be said about stories that feature more of the supporting cast that fleshes out the world a little more.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gen X here, it's a better show than any of the new batch, I had hopes for Picard after the first season but then went to the zoo in the second, and that was that, all the other Parmamount Plus shows are straight unwatchable trash.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Season 3 of Picard was good. Sadly, that was a show that didn't figure out what it wanted or could be until the ending came along.

[–] krayj 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

TottalIy agree. i was not impressed with season 1 of Picard. I forced myself to watch season 2 and I almost just quit watching mid season - it just felt like they lost the magic. I wasn't even going to watch season 3, but then I heard about all the cameos and thought it would be nice to see the old gang back together and it turned out to be the best season of the bunch. Still, Strange New Worlds is lightyears better, imo.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, also if you're curious, I skipped the second season completely and there is no downside to it. So just jump right into this much more enjoable romp that is season 3.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Supervisor194 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Big disagree from me on that. I hated (nearly) every second of it.

That having been said, SQUEEE ENTERPRISE D

Was glorious seeing it again, even after everyone in the show shit on its design all season. That rather embodies the whole problem tbh.

Edit: I love SNW though, so there's that.

[–] singletankofkerosene 8 points 1 year ago

Gen Xer here. Grew up watching Star Trek with my mom. Love this show. And she just got a subscription so she could watch it, too! As was said elsewhere, it’s just really good tv. Well done and engaging. Now if they could just give us 12, maybe 14 episodes a season…

[–] demlet 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is like poetry. Also, are you frickin spying on me?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We are more alike than people realize. We share many similar victories and traumas.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I love all Star Trek.

[–] uzziah0 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Biggest thing about Strange New Worlds is it isn't trying to be too much, like Discovery. Discovery seemed to want to project an agenda. Strange tells an episodic story, with a little more overarching story, but not too much, enjoyable. In that regard it harkens back to the original Star Trek. I enjoy single stories encapsulated in individual episodes, and not a lot of pushing hard on some agenda.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

What agenda do you feel Disco is trying to further?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As my teenager would say, Discovery is a little, "extra".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Thanks man. I watched Discovery and it was more "action Trek" (like the newer movies). The first season just made me irritable and while my Trek friend told me to move on (to the following seasons) and forget about it, I just never could. I'm the type that just didn't like the Marvel stuff and haven't watched anything past Iron Man 1.

I'll definitely give this a shot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Iron Man 1 had that touch of magic to it, didn't it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yep, it was all the Marvel I ever needed!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Prodigy is surprisingly good. It does skew a bit younger but it does have that Star Trek feel.

But I agree SNW and Lower Decks are great.
It's odd because to me lower decks feels the least like and the most like a Star Trek show... Somehow they walk that line really well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Biggest issue I have with this edition is the Strange New Worlds tag.

Should be just... Star Trek.

A true descendant of the show I grew up with.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You want it to have the exact same name as another series and a JJ Abrams movie? Having a subtitle is practically part of the canon at this point.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›