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Bernie SNAPS At His Own Supporters [20:07 | MAR 17 2025 | Sabby Sabs] (youtu.be)

submitted 5 days ago by jimmydoreisalefty to c/[email protected]

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/27001446

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#berniesanders #sabbysabs #bernierunsaway #berniesandersrallies #mahmoudkhalil #progressivepoliticsexplained

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This YouTube video analyzes Bernie Sanders's "Fight the Oligarchy" tour, highlighting his criticisms of the wealthy and powerful influencing politics. Key points include:

The Tour's Purpose: Sanders is targeting districts Biden won in 2020 but Democrats lost in 2024, aiming to regain support within the Democratic party.

Sanders's Rhetoric: He strongly criticizes billionaire influence and calls for a working-class agenda, drawing large crowds at his rallies.

AOC's Involvement: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is joining Sanders on the tour.

Criticism of Sanders: The video criticizes Sanders for not explicitly condemning the Democratic party's ties to the oligarchy, given his past endorsements of figures like Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris, who have accepted contributions from wealthy donors.

The Gaza Conflict: The video discusses Sanders's reluctance to label the situation in Gaza a genocide, despite acknowledging the horrific events. The YouTuber argues this demonstrates Sanders's tendency to avoid strong stances on controversial issues.

The Incident with Supporters: The video's main focus is on a recent incident where Sanders abruptly dismissed his own supporters who politely inquired about the arrest of Mahmoud Khalil. The YouTuber interprets this as evidence of Sanders's true nature and his unwillingness to take strong action against injustices, even when directly confronted by his own supporters. The video includes footage of the encounter and the subsequent arrest of Khalil, highlighting the alleged lack of resistance during the arrest.

Conclusion: The YouTuber concludes that Sanders's actions demonstrate a pattern of avoiding strong stances and ultimately serving to maintain the status quo rather than enacting significant change. The video suggests Sanders is more focused on maintaining the Democratic party's power base than on truly challenging the oligarchy.

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Leftist news commentary and interviews. Fighting for political and social change. Sabby Sabs podcast is a part of Revolutionary Blackout Network.

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[–] clonedhuman 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Sounds like a Youtuber desperate for likes and subscriptions who manipulates video to attract viewers who will watch the advertisers and generate ad revenue for him.

It's really a shame that regular people started manufacturing their own bullshit now. Then again ... this could be a Russian op.

That being said, I'm not even going to bother watching a second of this trash.

[+] jimmydoreisalefty -10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That being said, I’m not even going to bother watching a second of this trash.

Sadly, that does not surprise me from someone that uses "Russian op" as a desperate final retort to disagree with people that don't think like you want them to.

Sabby Sabs has a proven record of being a true leftist, a person for the working class, and vital to her community (with a mutual aid organization).^[[1] https://lemmy.world/post/23788382]

Criticism is healthy, but I suggest going a bit further when you encounter posts that don't align with your way of thinking.

[–] clonedhuman 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

The more we let this view-driven garbage into our brain the more it poisons us.

I don't know if the criticism is accurate, and I don't care. This video accomplishes nothing of value except generating views for the YouTube advertisers and a few pennies per view for the channel 'owners.' It is intended to generate income by causing 'controversy,' yet that controversy results in nothing of value for the people who view it other than a temporary distraction. Beyond that, it contributes firepower for those who would doom the working class to wasting their time on internet-generated arguments that have no practical impact on their day-to-day lives.

It is unproductive and does nothing to further the cause of the working class otherwise, and should rightly be ignored for that reason.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

This sounds a lot like fundamentalist Christians criticizing any view of Christianity that doesn't comform to their own.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Wow, you surprised me by replying!

I don’t know if the criticism is accurate, and I don’t care.

Ah, now it makes sense why you have no retorts with substance for what Sabby points out: the major issues with Bernie on Mamud Khalil, his continued support for the oligarchy, the duopoly, and the Palestine genocide.

It is expected, though, when you criticize Bernie from the left.

Smearing is the go-to for those on the right of Bernie.

All is well, peace!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's a complete garbage video at the surface level. No strong stances?

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) is bringing six measures, known as the Joint Resolutions of Disapproval, to the Senate floor for a vote. The bills, also backed by Sens. Peter Welch (D-Vermont), Jeff Merkley (D-Oregon) and Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), would block the sales of six different kinds of weapons to Israel, worth a total of $20 billion.

https://truthout.org/articles/bernie-sanders-vote-on-gaza-genocide-forces-senators-to-go-on-the-record/

That YouTuber has zero credibility. Nobody will ever care what they say. We're never going to engage with them, fact check them, or anything because it's so transparently clickbait trash that seeing any part of it makes our lives worse.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for the reply and for linking (not the issue being brought up, link is offtopic), but the major issue we have with Bernie is his cowardice in not calling what is happening in Palestine a genocide.

It’s a complete garbage video at the surface level. No strong stances?

The video addresses this and states it in a simple manner.

All issues with Bernie are addressed in calling him out specifically with a record of where he continues to fail the working class.

Again, this is criticism from the left of Bernie, not the right, so it is understandable why there is confusion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's super dumb. The link is not off topic, he was trying to stop arms shipments to Israel. He's called it ethnic cleansing. Not using a specific word is irrelevant, because he's repeatedly and strongly doing the work to help those people.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not using a specific word is irrelevant

It seems we will not agree on this issue.

Being direct and truthfully calling what is happening in Palestine is a major deal for those that know and have seen the videos coming out of Palestine and the IDF.

Again, Sabby explains this in simple-to-understand points while addressing the reasons for her views and continued criticisms of Bernie on these specific issues.

Spoiler: Bernie is again and again and again just pushing people back to the status quo of the duopoly, which Sabby addresses at the end of the video.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ok, I'm going to trust him to do what he's doing. He's been talking about starving children, and blocked aid. That's specific and actionable, like the rest of what he's saying. Saby needs to shut up and open a book sometime.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

People that volunteered and helped him in 2016 and 2020 have sadly learned the extent of his “radical” policies and how far he is willing to fight.

Your point of view is understandable if you are to the right of Bernie Sanders. I and Sabby are criticizing him from his left.

I hope this helps you understand the major differences in worldviews.

FYI: Always be critical of people with power and influence, especially politicians and governments, since bribery (lobbying) is legal and most are bought and paid for by the owner class (the oligarchy and corporations).

P.S. Being an apologist and celebrity-worshipping does not help push the causes of the working class; it only hinders them and helps keep the status quo.

Edit: improved wording, legalized bribery -> bribery (lobbying), celebrity worshipping -> celebrity-worshipping

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fake leftist sowing division, using a purity test to frustrate real solidarity

You are projecting hard, a pretender, a fake, frivolous, and impotent.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fake leftist

I think you are confused.

We are to the left of Bernie; you are to his right.

purity test

"People that volunteered and helped him in 2016 and 2020 have sadly learned the extent of his 'radical' policies and how far he is willing to fight."

We have experiences about how far he is willing to fight the status quo and to truly address working-class struggles; the video points this out in a simple-to-understand manner with receipts.

Again, if you understand this, you would know that we are to the left of Bernie Sanders; it is not that hard to figure out.

Again:

P.S. Being an apologist and celebrity-worshipping does not help push the causes of the working class; it only hinders them and helps keep the status quo.

You reminded me of this song:

[Song] Phil Ochs - Love Me I'm A Liberal [04:39 | Country, Satire, Politics, Folk | https://youtu.be/0nFvhhCulaw]^[[1] https://lemmy.world/post/26807539]

“Love Me, I’m A Liberal,” is a criticism of liberals, as liberals often superficially support things such as civil rights to appear compassionate, but actually reject any action that would upset the status quo. This song is Phil Ochs' demonstration of his hatred of the liberals, who he views as hypocritical.

In the final verse, the liberal narrator of the song establishes he used to be a socialist, but has now “grown older and wiser”, and rejected more radical left-wing politics in favor of liberalism. Liberalism is a political disposition which is opposed to, and not synonymous with, Leftism (socialism, communism, etc). The idea that liberalism is synonymous with Leftism is a recent phenomenon more or less specific to mainstream US politics since the widespread suppression of the radical Left in the 70s and 80s (as well as the spread of the global “neoliberal consensus” since the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the German Democratic Republic, and the capitalist reforms of China under Deng Xiaoping).

Essentially, the song is a critique of liberalism from a leftist perspective, using the satirized view point of a 60’s American liberal.

Jello Biafra and Mojo Nixon did a 90’s-themed updated version that can be found here.

It’s also worth noting that the tune of this song incorporates parts of the melody for the traditional song ‘Rosin the Bow.’ You can hear it very clearly in the first three lines of every verse.^[[2] https://genius.com/Phil-ochs-love-me-im-a-liberal-lyrics#about]

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Nah. Your use of "real leftists" shows that you would rather gatekeep, "no true Scotsman", argue and criticize instead of create positive change.

Go post more clickbait that gets zero or negative engagement. I'll go focus on actionable things, and support leftists that take action.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It seems to me that you are the one trying to preach to the choir.

I did not use "real leftists"; you did.

Teaching and informing people is required so as to be revolutionaries instead of reformists.

I'll go focus on actionable things, and support leftists that take action.

A quick search into what Sabby Sabs and I advocate (and try to inform people of doing) would absolve you of that notion.

On my user profile:

Mantra: “We should focus our actions, time, and resources on Direct Action, Mutual Aid, and Community Outreach… No War but Class War!”

Sabby has a Mutual Aid chapter in Boston.^[[1] (https://lemmy.world/post/23788382].

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Seems like you'll exclude people every so often.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Well, there is a difference between liberals and leftists.

Again, this is the difference between revolutionaries and reformists.

In the final verse, the liberal narrator of the song establishes he used to be a socialist, but has now “grown older and wiser”, and rejected more radical left-wing politics in favor of liberalism. Liberalism is a political disposition which is opposed to, and not synonymous with, Leftism (socialism, communism, etc). The idea that liberalism is synonymous with Leftism is a recent phenomenon more or less specific to mainstream US politics since the widespread suppression of the radical Left in the 70s and 80s (as well as the spread of the global “neoliberal consensus” since the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the German Democratic Republic, and the capitalist reforms of China under Deng Xiaoping).^[[1] https://lemmy.world/post/26807539]

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Liberals are leftists. Your use of a song as a prop for criticism confirms my feelings that you are frivolous.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Liberals and leftists are not the same.

Liberals are what Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. warned us about.

The White liberal is the worst enemy to America and the worst enemy to the Black man. Let me first explain what I mean by this White liberal. In America there’s no such thing as Democrats and Republicans anymore. That’s antiquated. In America you have liberals and conservatives. This is what the American political structure boils down to among Whites. The only people who are still living in the past and thinks in terms of “I’m a Democrat” or “I’m a Republican” is the American Negro. He’s the one who runs around bragging about party affiliation and he’s the one who sticks to the Democrat or sticks to the Republican, but White people in America are divided into two groups, liberals and Republicans…or rather, liberals and conservatives. And when you find White people vote in the political picture, they’re not divided in terms of Democrats and Republicans, they’re divided consistently as conservatives and as liberal. The Democrats who are conservative vote with Republicans who are conservative. Democrats who are liberals vote with Republicans who are liberals. You find this in Washington, DC. Now the White liberals aren’t White people who are for independence, who are liberal, who are moral, who are ethical in their thinking, they are just a faction of White people who are jockeying for power the same as the White conservatives are a faction of White people who are jockeying for power. Now they are fighting each other for booty, for power, for prestige and the one who is the football in the game is the Negro. Twenty million Black people in this country are a political football, a political pawn an economic football, an economic pawn, a social football, a social pawn... -- Malcolm X

I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection. -- Martin Luther King Jr., Letter from the Birmingham Jail

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I didn't say they are the same. Not all leftists are liberals.

You keep saying exclusionary things you need to think about.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I see them as different groups, similar to how AOC used to talk about Biden.

AOC: ‘In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party’^[[1] https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/06/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-biden-not-same-party-094642]

We don't have a leftist party in the US; we need a grassroots movement of the working class to create one.

I am not for, nor do I try to defend, the duopoly.

Sorry for the trouble, and thanks for trying to explain your point, which I seem to struggle to understand.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Anarchists, socialists and liberals are all leftists, in those other countries they are in coalitions and make up a power bloc.

My point is, you are alienating other leftists.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ah, my intention is not to alienate but to inform and to show that we need to directly criticize these politicians when they are failing their constituents.

Failing to uphold the demands of the working class is what resulted in two Trump terms.

Trump is a symptom of the problems our country has; many more like him will appear if we don't force our politicians to do the bidding of the working class.

Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. -- Frederick Douglass

Thanks for explaining your point across in a simple and direct manner!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Do we NEED to? Is he failing?

Seems like he's chosen to take action on the subject. He didn't get bogged down in the word games and ambiguity of if it's a genocide or not. Starving kids, unambiguous. You can't argue with that.

No problem saying, wow this is great, we need to do more.

Big problem with, all he's done is not enough. No, if you think that YOU can go do more.

He's literally out touring, organising and getting support for the exact thing you are accusing him of not doing enough of. Is he supposed to do two tours at once?

[–] jimmydoreisalefty 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Timestamp: 05:52 - 11:58

There is a special classification for genocide in certain laws; it gives states the legal right to intervene and to stop them.

Sabby shows an interview of Bernie Sanders with someone walking him through the steps of why addressing what is happening to Palestine as a genocide is important.

Sabby also ties it to another time when he dismisses the question or tries to avoid it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

He's not going to comment on what other people are doing, or what the court should or shouldn't rule on. He's sticking to his points. Unambiguous, actionable, in his jurisdiction.

I don't understand why you would require him to, debate the obvious and speak about things he has little power to act on. He'd be a less effective progressive.

He's using the interview time to repeat facts, thousands dead, starving children, domestic funding in the billions being used for weapons. I bet people will keep asking him about genocide, since he refuses to answer. If he keeps repeating the facts about the genocide, that's great.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I understand, but we must continue to try and pressure him, like the person interviewing him, to be more direct in his actions by pushing him to the left.

Politicians need to be pressured and forced, or they will continue their status quo ways even when a genocide is happening.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't know how much more direct you can get, he's trying to hold money hostage in favor of a ceasefire.

[–] clonedhuman 2 points 5 days ago

There's no point in replying to this person. They're shilling for 'Gaby' or whomever it is that is trying to generate Youtube views. This ongoing bullshit that the instigator is generating is intended only to attract attention to this video and generate more views and more income.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Until all of us, if every creed and none, every political leaning and none, learn to look in the mirror and do the painful, gross, stinky shadow work of recognizing what we see in others as aspects of us we hide from ourselves and work to correct that and heal our wounds, rather than wounding others, it will continue to get worse, until we annihilate ourselves and a bunch of other species.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yes, we always need to work on ourselves and never stop learning and fighting our own biases, especially when talking to people that don't think like we do.

Thanks for those words and for the reminder!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Thanks so much. It was more in general to all of us, rather than you, specifically. Your comment just gave opening for the reply. I do so much appreciate the tiresome thankless work you do, and the slings and arrows that accompany it. You have inspired and succored my own inspiration, when it flags. Onward! ✊*

[–] FlexibleToast 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh boy. If you turn on Bernie Sanders, who is left that actually passes your virtue test? He's probably the only person who has been going around saying the correct lesson after the 2024 failure.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

"Lefty" with videos supporting Trump policies (stim check for 'waste' found by felon while we subsidies him for millions per day) but shitting on one of the most progressive voices in congress...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

And their username references somebody who said trump was better for progressives than clinton.

Edit: Jimmy Dore also said that he'd prefer McCain to Obama because it'd be better for comedians such as himself.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -5 points 5 days ago

It seems to me that you may be confused in your guessing on what the video is about and Sabby's political stance on "Trump policies."

It is understandable in your confusion; it seems many in this community don't see criticism of Bernie from the left and just expect and blindly assume it comes from the right of Bernie.

You may encounter more views like these if you explore viewpoints from independent journalists and independent commentators that are to the left of Bernie.

You will see a pattern if you take the time to learn about these criticisms these people have; spoiler: they supported Bernie and volunteered for him in 2016 and 2020.

Some came to certain conclusions on Benrie's willingness to truly fight the status quo and the duopoly once he continued to push people towards the Blue No Matter Who party again and again and again.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Thank you for the summary! But dang, that is one way to jump to conclusions. If you want an opinion on this Mahmoud guy, let's wait until the case is over. Because right now, it is a mess.

To be fair, I don't expect the us government to come out of this case having done the right thing

[–] jimmydoreisalefty 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I agree, but that must start by putting pressure and forcing our politicians, who represent the people, to do our bidding.

But dang, that is one way to jump to conclusions

Being critical of what politicians do, vote on, and support will affect how people see them; these are recorded and can be seen, so pressure must be added as quickly as possible from past experiences.

To be fair, I don’t expect the us government to come out of this case having done the right thing

Yes, and that is why we can't be apologetics or celebrity worshipers to politicians; we have to force them and pressure them to do the right thing.

Sabby addresses the issues we have with Bernie Sanders when it comes to Mahmoud and the others being detained.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

There's better ways to express criticism. You could say "I expect x" or "this comes at the risk of y". but instead this person points out a conclusion that doesn't appear to have much footing. Perhaps it will at some point. Same for the generalizing bit at the end.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

It seems if we want to have better, we have to be better.