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I just don't see it happening. Shit I have a hard time getting them to use god damn Whatsapp or Telegram (still bad but at least better than Instagram).

They are all iPhone users in the US so as you may expect they are too damn lazy to install another messaging app despite having Instagram Snapchat Tiktok BeReal and whatever shitty social media app that exists on the App Store.

For the love of god don't just say "you need bettee friends" πŸ˜‚ cause let's be honest finding a privacy conscious person that you also can get along with in the US as Gen Z is practically impossible.

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[–] GlitzyArmrest 23 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I know not everyone is willing to do this, but I just made myself unreachable elsewhere and many started using signal for that reason.

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[–] CannaVet 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Don't have an answer but sharing in your pain as a millennial. 😭

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Yk it is a sad world we live in when they already have 5 social media/messaging apps on their phone but refuse to download another one

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

@CannaVet

@PrivateOnions

Millennial here. Lucky enough that about 1/3rd of our friend group (and four family members) are somewhat privacy focused and moved to Signal. But getting the rest of everyone to move to better E2E messaging is rough.

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[–] Kekin 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A few years ago I got 5 of my millennial friends to move from FB Messenger to Telegram and it took some peer pressure from me and essentially one hangout where we were all together, and moved in one go. Telegram is not perfect but overall it's much better than being on FB messenger.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I deleted Facebook and Instagram and joined Signal. Not everybody transitioned (instead they wanted me to join WhatsUp lol), but it was a good decision in the long run.

Of course not everybody will transition as well, but let me tell you those who did (in my case) are those who want to be really in contact with you. For the rest I use SMS and E-mail like in the old days haha. You just have to hope that eventually they will join.

It's really hard decision that you have to think about (it took me some time) but I just say "F*** that" and just did it. Until I remove my Fb and Ig they think that I wasn't going to do it but well ^^.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tried convincing my group chats and various friends i messaged on facebook quite a bit to download signal with zero success. About a year later i nuked all my social media and told em to text me.
The important people all moved over to signal eventually after that.
Its kind of a sucky way to do it but it worked for me

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just told everyone "I am only using Signal from now on. If you want to message me do it through that." Worked for those who actually want to keep in touch.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's kind of what it came down to for me too. Hey signal is good and its free. I don't have Snapchat, fb, tiktok, WhatsApp or telegram. Its signal or SMS.

Also if you can get a group together for a purpose like playing call of duty together that can help with adoption.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Set up matrix instance and invite them. Better to use something you control over signal which is run by a company on their servers. Saves you the trouble of having to do this all again down the line if something happens with signal. Also there are many chat bridges for stuff like signal, IG, WhatsApp, etc. Theres even an Imessage one but it is not in the ansible playbook yet.

https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy makes it very simple to deploy.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The real chads get their friends to use Session. Better than Signal imo

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What makes it better? In your opinion

Edit: just reading about it and it sounds almost too good to be true

[–] MigratingtoLemmy 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aye. I have yet to go through the entire Whitepaper but it is very well made

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It is better but is even harder to convince others to use than Signal because you have to share some random generated ID and then name the contacts accordingly and looks like some hacker man shit to normies so they will probably get turned off.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You may want to give this a quick read before using signal

https://dessalines.github.io/essays/why_not_signal.html

I personally haven't verified the claims on there but I've been using a personal instance of Matrix for a while now and it's been working great.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

finding a privacy conscious person that you also can get along with in the US as Gen Z is practically impossible.

I'm not sure what answer you're expecting. There isn't one. You can't make people give a shit about privacy. You can change your standards, you can make exceptions to your privacy rules for friends (defeating the purpose), or you can accept that most people don't care and think it's weird that you do. Nobody said the private life was one bursting with social activity.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

As a gen z I find this to be basically impossible unless the platform is already in flux. I'm sure Instagram will do something people hate soon enough so just be ready when it goes down.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Tell them you've got some hot gossip that you're too scared to share without encryption. Make it spicy.

[–] sharpsphere 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Instructions unclear, currently in jail for kidnapping and aggravated assault

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hope one day, that we have a viable protocol like email that will free everybody from vendor lock-in into messaging apps. Allowing us to chose our platform freely.

Unfortunately, I don’t think Matrix is there yet

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I bridge WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal and Slack using Matrix.

Works extremely well for me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

@scott TIL bridging exists, I'll check it out!

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You could use matrix and use bridges. Then they can migrate whenever they want.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

For real, just my closest friends have gotten signal, and techies, and privacy focused family. Slow up hill battle tbh.

My next trick is more family on the wagon, by convincing them to do more video calls through signal. They want to use Duo, but we are getting closer to more family with Signal than Duo.

Something that also helps, shame them for watching ads, there is no reason you have to watch ads unless you are using the shitty apps that force it on you. You separate them from ads though and you get less push back on new apps. Them ads really do be working on people.

[–] Protegee9850 2 points 1 year ago

Start with your family. A small group of friends. The 1-5 people you communicate with the most. Though, to be completely honest - iMessage is still a far cry better than instagram messages and SMS.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Just assume that everyone involved lives a life of multiple identities and they aren't ready to share their secret Signal identity with you yet.

I'm being sarcastic, but that actually isn't that far off from how things tend to actually work, it's just a matter of whether someone is conscious of how much their online behavior is performative.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tried to get them on Matrix/element first. Couldn't do it, but then Signal looked easy enough and sticked. Might give another try if I can get my own Matrix server at home.

[–] schnapspraline 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

With Matrix you can use Mautrix-Bridge that allows you to basically communicate with every popular messanger out there. I highly recommend reading the entire docs first before setting it up.

Edit: the link above leads to the go-based bridges. Here are the python based bridges

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

just install it on their phone without them knowing and tell them that is a new apple app

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