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transcript"Pretty shitty how baseline human activities like singing, dancing, and making art got turned into skills instead of being seen as behaviors, so now it's like 'the point of doing them is to get good at them' and not 'this is a thing humans do, the way birds sing and bees make hives.'"

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Only if you let them. I do all these things without regard to skill. Maybe surround yourself with more laid back people?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Real I'm 14 and this is deep vibes.

Nobody's gonna stop you from doing any of that. Well, maybe from singing in public but that's less about skill and more about not disturbing others by being loud and obnoxious.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

And making art in public is vandalism, dance and maybe someone will think you're on drugs and call the police. Spend your time doing human things alone for no profit and maybe society won't let you have shelter or medicine. People are absolutely going to stop you unless you're really good at fighting for it.

[–] Upperhand 5 points 1 day ago

I don't get it. Do all of it if it makes you happy, but get paid if you can and love doing what you do...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Sounds like a job for AI! That way we'll have more time for washing dishes and folding clothes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I’m terribly bad at all three by societal standards but I enjoy all three when no one is around.

(Or atleast I did, before I got a chronic illness that prevents me from doing them)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Before late capitalism forced most everyone to make their art more "commercial", there was this thing in modernity called symbolic capital, and in the artistic fields this brought the cons of competitive spirit, but a pro - in my view, at least - was enabling approaches to art which are more sophisticated, albeit requiring specialization also on the part of the reader (for the pleasure of "writerly" texts see Roland Barthes; for why many people want to passively consume elite art rather than participate in democratic art, "The Weak Universalism" by Boris Groys is some food for thought). More exactly, modern artists placed their bets on getting recognized by critics and historians for their efforts at innovating art without the pressure to always meet halfway the audience.

Downsides included the possibility - in bourgeois capitalist societies, not so much in, say, Yugoslavia - to starve before receiving due recognition, being dependent on the critics' whims or agendas... and being dependent on there being an infrastructure for the art world, gatekeepers - which suffered from more or less systemic biases such as sexism, though sometimes sexually transgressive authors got away with upholding the idea that somehow art is never moral, but instead quintessentially aesthetic - and all... And, of course, in the background should still lie classical education of sorts, in the lack of which today some might end up believing they're reinventing the wheel or that it's nonconformist to be conformist, aka hip to be fash square...

At least these are my (more than) two cents as a writer from Eastern Europe who witnessed the fall of the traditional literary system - which in other circumstances could have been enabled me to secure a modest but content existence through a stable job in one of their state-funded magazines - and read Pierre Bourdieu and Pascale Casanova to make some sense of all this. As a lower middle class person, I was privileged to have been supported by my parents to pursue literature for years without the pressure of making it on the job market - now I work almost 7 days out of 7, leaving me in no mood to read or write books... Alas, I was looking forward to UBI or negative income tax, but it seems like we have to fight a techno-feudal dystopia first.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

some people make steel frying pans all day to pay the bills, some people sing at restaurants to entertain them, others people work in the kitchen to fry them both their dinner

[–] CuddlyCassowary 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce 6 points 1 day ago

He's clearly educating us on the lifecycle of metal cookware. Fascinating stuff.

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