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[–] [email protected] 341 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The biggest issue that no one ever wants to talk about is ....

... it's isn't about the QUANTITY of life

.... it's about the QUALITY of life.

If people are able to have a comfortable, stable and prosperous life, with plenty of their own free time to enjoy without worrying about losing everything then they'll make time and an effort to have a family and children.

If all our wealthy overlords ever want to do is squeeze every penny out of us all the time, then people will be less likely to want to have children.

[–] bassomitron 180 points 2 days ago (13 children)

It also strongly correlates to women's rights and access to education. The more educated women are, the less likely they are to have a lot of kids.

https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/health/female-education-and-childbearing-closer-look-data

It's why you see a renewed attack on women in some developed countries, especially in the US.

[–] [email protected] 128 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Here's what happened in America.

In the 1960s the "Women's Lib" movement started. They got a lot of press coverage because it was a good stroy, but didn't actually change things a lot.

In 1973 the Oil Embargo hit and suddenly one job wasn't enough for the family to survive. Lots of wives had to go out and look for work to keep paying the bills.

The Right has been lying that women getting jobs is what destroyed the one income family.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 54 points 1 day ago (14 children)

If the Japanese want people to work 80 hour weeks (and go drinking with their boss every night) maybe they should make polyamorous marriage a thing. Kids are a lot easier to deal with if you have help.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From what i heard from people and read online, i really don't understand how people even do that. Japanese work etiquette is bananas. But that aside, my job is somewhat high demand, but i draw the line at work hours. I work 42 hours a week and not a second longer. That opens up enough times for some hobbies, enough free time and everything. But if i had kids, most of that would be gone. So if you're a work horse, you're expected to give up everything, except work and raising kids.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

Literally: they don't go home, that's how

Hearing about salary men sleeping on the streets or in train stations is one thing, but when I actually finally saw them in person it broke my fucking brain

Imagine the homelessness issues of a major Californian city but instead of homeless people it's a bunch of clearly drunk dudes in suits who all vanish by morning

My wife cried hard because the realization hit that hard

[–] Aqarius 15 points 1 day ago

That's certainly a take on "family business".

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[–] BetaBlake 110 points 2 days ago (10 children)

But I bet they will continue to work people to the bone as a point of pride...like I wonder what could be contributing to this problem.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I still don't understand the obsession. Not everything has to be a ponzi scheme where line go up. Things can shrink, it's ok. Not everything lasts forever. At some point you can abandon areas and let them decay.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Agree so much with this perspective. I'll never forget idly watching some financial section on the news with the newscaster, ashen faced, reporting that growth in some industry had slowed, as though someone had died.

Then I thought about it... So wait, it's still profitable, and that profit is even still increasing, but the rate of increase is slowing!?

People are still going to work, product is being made, profits still reaped, but the greedy ambitions of those at the top aren't being completely fulfilled!??

Well bless my blessing heart... What a crock of shit.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Japan will literally collapse into fire before they allow immigration

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

this story comes out every so often about japan, rarely if ever mentions (slightly) lower births per woman in italy, china, spain, or the same 1.3 as e.g. poland, finland, canada

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?most_recent_value_desc=false

those are 2022 figures but i doubt there's been significant change

there's basically no first world country above the 2.1 replacement rate

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