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Enough Musk Spam

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[–] ChristmasIslandZone 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Conspiracy theory: They know this, but being able to claim to their followers, with official records to show for it, who know NOTHING about programming, is an easy, effective win for them. They can claim fraud to their gullible audience and now have records they can point to and say "LOOK! THEY'RE GIVING DEAD PEOPLE SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY!"

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[–] [email protected] 128 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Teenage programmers can understand legacy code. These ones didn't. Don't dis teen coders.

[–] geogeogeo 5 points 19 hours ago

The issue isn't inherently age it's just time and experience, understanding different coding patterns and paradigms that have changed over the years etc. Even someone who's been coding every day from ages 14-20 can't have the same knowledge and experience as someone who's been working with software since the 90s or earlier. Granted, there will always be brilliant people who even when lacking experience are more talented and skillful than maybe the majority, but that is uncommon. I'm only in my late 20s. And I remember in college there was a huge diversity of skills, from "are you sure this career path is really a good idea for you?" To "holy hell how did you do all of that in one hackathon?" But even for those really smart folks, they aren't just going to inherently understand all the different ways to organize and structure code, all the conventions that exist, and more importantly why those methods and structures exist and the history that informed them. I'm not saying you need on the ground experience (although, I'd say many people do, as many people can't really internalize things without direct exposure), but there's just not enough time, literally, in the handful of years that is childhood and teenage years to absorb all that history.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is that, yes, I agree that the problem isn't inherently about being teenagers but I do think it's a valid criticism that it's kind of ridiculous to have such young folks leading this kind of project given it's literally impossible for them to have the same amount of experience as software vets. It's also valid that young people are capable of seeing things in very new ways, since they aren't weighed down by al that history. But that's why diversity is useful especially for such a monumental project as this.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't know how many teenage programmers you have interacted with recently, but they are generally just learning the basics, learning core concepts, experimenting, etc...

There is a huge gap between making small, sometimes very cool and creative even, projects and understanding a giant legacy codebase in a language that is not taught anymore. I mean, even university grads often have trouble learning legacy code, much less in COBOL.

You wouldn't say your average teenage cook could make a gourmet meal for a house of 50 people 😅 not a dis, just they haven't had the time to get to greybeard level yet

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

How many teens you think can actually read and understand legacy languages like FORTRAN and COBOL? Let alone a complex codebase written in them?

I studied COBOL a bit in college and it's not exactly hard to read short snippets if you understand other languages, but good luck wrapping your head around anything remotely complex and actually understand what it is doing without having someone who understands the language. Hell, 15-20 years on and multiple languages later, my eyes still cross trying to read and grok COBOL. The people supporting those old code bases get paid well for a reason ...

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

Learning to COBOL is not itself that hard.

Understanding decades of "business" logic is.

It isn't WHAT it is doing, it's WHY it is doing it that makes these systems labyrinthian.

Also afaik they don't get paid that well which is part of the problem.

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[–] cm0002 147 points 1 day ago (5 children)

LMAO watch the US be saved by an inability of Muskys frat bois to understand COBOL

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[–] [email protected] 124 points 1 day ago (8 children)

In before Musk says "You think the government uses COBOL?!"

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago

Honestly, if you make it to 150 you deserve the money

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I can't wait for them to discover a bunch of people who are 9999 years old next.

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