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Startpage or DuckDuckGo (startrek.website)
submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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So. I’ve been using startpage for a while and was wondering if it were better over DuckDuckGo ?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

As an alternative for both, try searXNG.

https://searx.space/ for instances.

https://github.com/searxng/searxng for the code, you can run your own instance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SearXNG for the wikipedia article.

Personally, I find it returns much better results than anything currently available elsewhere. It reminds me of a time when search actually worked. Also, no ads and no tracking.

BTW, different instances can supply poorer results than others, so shop around to find the best one for you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Incredible. I was thinking about something like that, didn’t know it exist already

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just tried it with a few different instances, the fact that you can search the web for files is awesome. Just one problem though, I tried searching for a few specific websites in the "general" tab and they just wouldn't show up in the results.

Maybe I'm just missing something.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I don't believe you are. I'm not certain it's been implemented... yet.

The entire Fediverse is a work in progress. It's just better than the alternatives.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Startpage=proxy Google
DuckDuckGo=proxy Bing

[–] HorseFD 7 points 1 week ago

StartPage actually uses a combination of Google and Bing results, and on mobile it’s entirely Bing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’ve been using Brave Search with Zen browser. Pretty good.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m on Firefox Edge for my cellphone, Firefox for the rest

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What is Firefox edge? Do you mean Firefox focus?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Yes. Don’t know why I change the name

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is brave search a proxy version of google or did they build their own index?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They built their own index, but if the search engine can’t find what you’re looking for, they have an option to show you proxied results from Google or Bing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

I'm more biased against Google than against Microsoft, and as mentioned in another comment, the search engines are proxies of the respective companies, so it's hard to give an objective opinion.

Now, what I would suggest, trying to be as neutral as possible, is to test both and see which fit your needs more. After that, use mainly the better one and keep the other as a fallback option.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I know it's a controversial take around these parts, but I've fallen in love with Kagi.

If I had to rank search engines by results, in my opinion/experience:

Kagi > Brave > Startpage/Google > DDG/Ecosia/Bing

Kagi/Brave/Startpage/DDG all offer privacy to some degree. I haven't really fucked with SearXNG though I'm sure its awesome.

[–] checkfit 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Why it's controversial? Kagi not secure/private enough?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

  1. People don't like the idea of paying for stuff they're used to getting for free

  2. Privacy Guides does not include Kagi in their recommendations because an account is required in order to search, despite it being against their privacy policy to log, and despite the fact that they allow "no-log" VPNs, messaging apps, etc. which all require accounts. They're starting to soften to Kagi with their new Privacy Pass feature, however they seem hung up on the fact you need an account to generate private tokens. Accounts can be made with burner emails and paid with crypto.

  3. Kagi leadership has had some controversial opinions on search censorship (they're fairly blanket opposed to it) and other social issue in the past

  4. In addition to search, Kagi offers AI tools, which is a turn-off for a lot of people

To me, none of these things are deal breakers, but some folks are eager for an excuse to complain.

[–] doodledup 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I got an article about polar bears as 7th result for the search "Monkey". Great...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I mean sure, if you ignore the first 20 or so relevant links before that, you're right, that one does show up when searching for monkey (proof)

You can add literally any other word to the search and that one result disappears. Even bear monkey. Regardless of the fact that no one searches for just the word monkey, I find Kagi's rankings consistently prioritize more quality and informative content.

Comparing to other search engines, Google is obsessed with the movie The Monkey, Bing really wants you to watch Monkey Baby Bon Bon live what looks like a nightmare life, Brave gives an OK mix of content, still with a The Monkey focus, and Kagi gives you a really solid mix of results across the monkey spectrum for such a vague query (plus one whole link to an article about polar bears).

If the polar bear result specifically bothers you, you can report it to Kagi and I'm sure they'll fix it. I'm still happy with my choice though.

Edit: decided to check DDG as well - I'd written it off in my head as just Bing, but the results were slightly different - the Monkey Bon Bon nightmare fuel was pretty significantly demoted, and for better or worse, DDG was blissfully unaware of the movie The Monkey. Not a bad result overall.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

And, 12h later, I checked back and the polar bear result is gone. Either it was a glitch in the matrix or the Kagi team has eyes everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I’ve been disappointed by many and don’t trust commercial space.

Dig around and you will find no so pleasant information on DDG and Kagi. I suspect same is true for any business backed search.

I used both and eventually run into negative information, which made me reconsider both. I started with DDG, then Kagi.

It is SearXNG all the way for me now and there are no regrets so far. Other post on it is the best option.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What negative information have you found about Kagi?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Owner is spending all resources into AI neglecting actual search.

There was something else, but I forgot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I use several search engines. All have their + and -. As main search I use Andi, apart Startpage, Mojeek, Whoogle, Ghostery Search, Groot and some others, apart some specific ones, like Forums, Pixabay, Wolphram Alpha,, etc., I find what I'm searching for. Multisearch engines are fine, but they don't show the same results of the engines which API's they use. Apart of privacy, it's mayby more important to avoid search engines which logs the searh history, because the filter bubble effect, causing an biased information.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ddg have AI and its bad. Startpage still being a google API. I consider SP because you can run it completly without javascript

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can't you run ddg without javascript, on their plain html version?

https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Still cannot see other thing than websites entries in minimalist form, SP can show images, videos and more

[–] doodledup 1 points 1 week ago

You can turn the AI off. And it's not bad at all. I find it quiet useful sometimes. Plus, it's private.