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[–] Khanzarate 12 points 3 days ago

Both do better with prep time, but a sufficiently high level 5e wizard only needs the components for one casting of simulacrum to win guaranteed. First, take their components and cast Demiplane to hide in. If timing mattered, Dispel Magic on the door would cut the 1 hour duration short, preventing the military from doing anything about it. Take a Long Rest, then use Wish to duplicate the effects of Simulacrum, granting a copy that is missing it's 9th level slot. Take another long rest (24 hours, since we just did that). Then, give the copy the components for a standard casting of Simulacrum, targeting you.

Once your second simulacrum is complete, it can use Wish to cast simulacrum again, targeting you, and that copy can do it again, and again, filling up your 30-foot demiplane. Have the first simulacrum cast Magnificent Mansion, and have the chain of simulacrums fill that, too. Finally, command all but the most recent Simulacrums to leave, getting that most recent one to cast Demiplane again, and send them into the world to fight the military.

Based on spacing rules, the mansion fits 200 people, and the demiplane fits 36. Squeezing ought to fit more, but that's 234 simulacra released on the military, so we're probably fine. With you and that last simulacra remaining behind to repeat the loop, it would take 23.4 minutes to refill the demiplane/mansion area, and then release another 200+ wizards into the world all over again.

Honestly, I looked into new 5e rules for this, expecting them to update things, but besides simulacrum having a legacy tag, this exploit just... Still exists.

As a bonus, you could retain the 16 most recent simulacra, have the only one with Wish still cast it to instead create a 25,000 gp pouch of ruby dust, then distribute it, and have all of them do a proper casting of simulacrum. After 12 hours, you'll have 16 new wish-capable simulacra, reducing the time it takes to fill the demiplane to about a minute and a half. If you do this again, you could get it so half of the space is filled with simulacra that still have Wish, they all cast it as an action, filling the other half of the space, and then all head off to war, making a simulacra machine that creates 100+ wizards a second.

For comparison, that's faster than the birth rate of the whole world, and dimensional shenanigans keep you safe from missiles, nukes, and the like. Even if they broke in as people were exiting, you and one wish-capable copy could just shut the magnificent mansion door and Gate out back onto earth on a different continent, then start again easily.

[–] MercuryGenisus 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The wizard casts Wish.

"I wish that every object in the world grows or shrinks randomly up to 5%"

I think he won.

[–] MimicJar 6 points 2 days ago

Reshape Reality. You may wish for something not included in any of the other effects. To do so, state your wish to the DM as precisely as possible. The DM has great latitude in ruling what occurs in such an instance; the greater the wish, the greater the likelihood that something goes wrong. This spell might simply fail, the effect you desire might be achieved only in part, or you might suffer an unforeseen consequence as a result of how you worded the wish.

DM says no.

If your wish would affect a god, the god’s divine servants might instantly intervene to prevent it or to encourage you to craft the wish in a particular way.

God says no.

If your wish would undo the multiverse itself, threaten the City of Sigil, or affect the Lady of Pain in any way, you see an image of her in your mind for a moment; she shakes her head, and your wish fails.

Reality says no.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

If the wizard is 17th level or higher, the wizard, assuming they are sufficiently optimized. In every edition of D&D I know, a wizard that can cast 9th level spells will win against anything short of a god, another similarly optimized wizard, or a couple other classes.

If below 17th level, well, maybe. Depends on how optimized they are for this specific challenge, their gear budget, what edition they're built in, and what spells they know.

[–] rhacer 4 points 3 days ago

I think this would most likely depend on how many spell slots the wizard has.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago