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European leaders met in Paris to address concerns over U.S. policy on Ukraine after Trump’s administration signaled a shift toward engaging Russia while sidelining allies.

Trump’s special envoy ruled out European involvement in Ukraine peace talks, prompting fears about NATO’s future.

Leaders, including Macron and Scholz, discussed boosting EU defense spending and potential security guarantees for Ukraine.

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[–] NicestDicerest 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

This would be the opportunity for Europe to establish itself as a global superpower. Just how we spend and build infrastructure during covid/energy crysis, pump a lot of funds into the defense industrial complex and send a lot of stuff to Ukraine, whilst at the same moment build a unified European army.

Trump's meetings would become meaningless, security would be dictated by the new unified Europe.

Don't forget germany became the second strongest army in terms of spending in 2023/2024 when germany decided to spend an additional 100 Billion Euros next to its normal military budget on its army, dwarfing China's and Russia's military budget, only to be second to the US.

This, combined with unbroken support of Ukraine would inadvertedly make Europe a force to be reconed with and be a fast lane ticket into the footsteps of what the US once was.

But sadly that will not happen because woke people bad and maybe trump would still help us.

[–] PetteriSkaffari -3 points 5 days ago

Europe is turning fascist rapidly as well, so they can all be good chums soon enough and Ukraine can go and find a new president.

[–] Sanctus 35 points 6 days ago

He has abandoned our old allies. We're authoritarian now.

[–] FlashMobOfOne 33 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Trump is like the dumbass Proud Boys guy who dropped a loaded gun and shot himself in the face.

He's treating foreign diplomacy like he can order a fucking Big Mac and other world leaders like they're McDonald's employees. It's unrealistic, stupid, and it's not going to work out the way he thinks it should.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

If they had enough vision and created a real common army, we could look at the big players as equals and be a superpower in our own right.

However, I believe that these cowards will not go beyond empty words and will put us on the same level as Latin America in the 50s. Ready to be divided up and impoverished by people with true leadership.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

they won't band together to defy trump, which is the only possible way they can hope to defy trump.

c'est la vie

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The article literally says they're banding together

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

talking about doing a thing is not the same as doing the thing

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

Although they've demonstrated to do the thing they're saying when put up to the test. Hopefully this is a situation where that will can be found