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Apologies If I can't list specific 3rd Android OS here. I know you can't on some reddit privacy subs due to some beef between devs I guess. I'll take down if needed :)

Regardless, Ive been running GOS for a while and just found out theres a feature that allows you to use biometrics while still requiring your pin on the initial lock screen. One of my concerns with biometrics is that in some jurisdictions, law enforcement can force someone to open their phone through face ID or thumb print.

I've been using this feature that allows you to use biometrics but when you are on the lock screen, it still requires your pin. I thought this was really cool because it allows me to use biometrics only to unlock my apps while still adding an extra layer of protection to the unlocking of the device itself. Obviously slightly Inconvenient depending on your worries/threat level, but I just wanted to share this in case anyone else was interested and didnt know about it! Very cool!

EDIT: I just re-read my screenshot and it looks like fingerprint unlock is not correlated to using fingerprint for app unlocking. If this is the case then I'm not quite sure what the actual benefits are here. Please feel free to clarify!

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

If you're concerned about these kind of things, you might want to know about the GrapheneOS duress password. You set a second PIN, called duress PIN/password. If you're ever forced to type a PIN, you can type this one instead of the real one. It will lock/wipe out the phone within a few seconds. There's a few youtube videos showcasing this self-destruct mode.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

There is also an aftermarket solution, if you are not on gos, three name is duress on droid.

If you still want the comfort to open your phone via biometrics plus disable biometrics in emergencies there is private lock (fdroid). It will engage when the phone is shaken, e.g. a thief grabs it from your hand while you are typing, or you shake so nobody can force you to open it by fingerprint. The device will be locked and biometrics disabled until you unlock it again. There is also a recently updated app on fdroid with the same features, but it was not as reliable for me so I went back to using private lock.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Most Android versions have this now. Became popular as soon as SCOTUS ruled that police can compel you to unlock your device via biometrics. Enable it. If you think you may be arrested, simply restart your phone and now they need a court order to unlock your phone which means they have to convince a judge with probable cause.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Also put a pin code on your sim card so they can't clone and use the sim card if you shut your phone off.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

By if you have ESIM, the wipe deletes the Sim as well...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The police cannot clone SIM cards or hijack IMEI without a court order, and if they have a court order to do that, then it's trivial for it to include orders to compel you to unlock your phone/SIM anyways. This doesn't really protect you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

US specific and not sure for how much longer, but the courts have generally held that you can't be forced to give up a password to a phone. It's covered under the 5th (and 4th) amendments. That being said, most stock phones are vulnerable to cellubrite cracks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It is not about police hijacking IMEI, my bank only provides 2FA with phone number, and the password can be reset using the OTP they send to my phone. I know the bank is terrible but where I live all banks do same thing. So if my phone ever gets stolen they can just remove the sim and put it in another phone and get access to the Bank account. Also did I mention you can also get username from OTP to your phone so, yeah I should probably not use any bank and go live in mountains. But SIM lock helps.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

It is not about police hijacking IMEI

That's the entire point of the OPs post that I replied to. So.... Yes it is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Apologies If I can't list specific 3rd Android OS here. I know you can't on some reddit privacy subs due to some beef between devs I guess. I'll take down if needed :)

Wut?

Meaning: what kind of privacy community bans discussion on free and open privacy because of a dev? That's ridiculous. Exchange of money, sure, but discussion?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Well, from what I understood, in the privacy subreddit people were getting into it over Graphene OS and other privacy android OS's. During this, I guess the Devs (or dev) we're very petty or something and causing unnecessary in-fighting. Icould be telling this wrong but its something along those lines... To be clear, i think the actual rule is you cant specifically mention ANY 3rd party android OS, not just Graphene.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Been using it for a while and it's great.

Next up: auto wipe device after x days of no authentication.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

At that point use the duress password with the police

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Using the duress password could potentially be charged as destruction of evidence. If you can refuse to enter a password long enough for it to auto wipe before a judge orders you to unlock it you could avoid the danger of legal consequences. No destruction of evidence and no contempt of court.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Thanks for clarifying, I hate the fact even deepseek does not reply with facts like this.

Anyway when do they start breaking your kneecaps for refusing?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

In addition to this

  • require pin to unlock, but fingerprints for apps

GOS has a nice feature

  • require two factors to unlock, pin PLUS biometrics
  • duress pin, wipe phone if used
  • reboot phone if not unlocked in x hours

Of course it also has the standard AOSP mode

  • private spaces, hide apps unless unlocked

Which is different than the

  • workspaces, can use different biometrics

And if your very paranoid GOS supports many user profiles, which can all have their own distinct biometrics and pins, this works with their cross profile notification system. So you can keep your banking apps in a totally different profile and if you get mugged they won't see the apps (or you could use private spaces as well)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

All profiles need to be backed up seperately for those who don't know so have a flash drive for each profile if it's important or whatever medium you choose to backup to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I am wondering why GrapheneOS don't implement biometric BUT only with 2FA , for example: use finger and then a Android ask for specific password/pin to unlock device, this would let people use biometric with pass and don't worry about forcing by law enforcment or other

[–] Futurama 5 points 5 days ago

That's exactly what the Second Factor PIN is. You have to use both a fingerprint plus a pin to unlock the phone. That feature only recently came out, in the past month or two.

[–] tomyhaw 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So I'm still on stock android on a pixel and there is no option for just pin? Maybe I have to remove fingerprint from the phone first but there is basically a serious backdoor built in. How many people will be able to turn there phone off under duress?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Yes you can have only pin or pass phrase. This is just an additional option

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Nice! That's pretty cool, and law enforcement is a reason I stopped using my fingerprint to unlock my phone. Having an extra layer of security, even if just a technicality in the case of being forced to use my print, is nice.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can't confirm it, but I remember reading that it also has a "duress" PIN that you can use if being forced to unlock, that erases the entire phone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Can confirm, this exists and it works even if the phone is turned off or runs out of battery midway through the wipe, I've tested it. I have no use for it personally, but it's pretty neat!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Same here. Although I have no real reason with my threat level. But I could see how it could be relevant for some people. I also liked the idea because regular people could potentially use your thumb print when sleeping or something so this stops that Initial unlock.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I use biometrics for unlock too. If you click "Lockdown" in the power menu or just hold down the power button until your phone restarts (it should vibrate, so you can even do this while it's still in your pocket), it requires the PIN again in order to be able to unlock it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oh nice. Do you know if the lockdown option encrypts the phone?

From what I read, I believe on initial boot up, the phone is encrypted before first unlock but no longer after.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

I was reading somewhere Android is not encrypting the storage whit lockdown, only biometrics are disabled.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Its always encrypted, just that the keys are in RAM when it runs.

In case of graphene though you can have a distress pin that wipes the encryption keys, making the phones content irrecoverable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Is that what it does? I thought it deleted any profile other than the primary one.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

GrapheneOS provides users with the ability to set a duress PIN/Password that will irreversibly wipe the device (along with any installed eSIMs) once entered anywhere where the device credentials are requested (on the lockscreen, along with any such prompt in the OS).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yes, but that requires you to have it. If it's been snatched out of your hand, it's too late for that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

There is an app called Private Lock that will put the phone in lockdown if the accelerometer is triggered to a certain degree. It can work even when the screen is off.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Was confused by title but this seems awesome. Wish I could run this

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks for sharing, this is indeed a great feature and makes GOS even stronger! Just enabled and love it!

For the home screen, I keep the regular PIN, so I have to type instead of using fingertips. But for apps that requires authentication (after you are already logged in), it's really convenient use fingertips instead of the pin for convenience.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Related:

Download Wasted (https://f-droid.org/en/packages/me.lucky.wasted/) - You can set your phone to auto-wipe after X amount of time without being unlocked, and also various other triggers for wipe, like creating a fake "Signal" or "Telegram" icons on your homescreen that would trigger a wipe if tapped, or a fake "Airplane mode" tile that would trigger a wipe. Very useful stuff. (Might wanna learn the laws in your jurisdiction tho, could get you in trouble.

There's also Duress (https://f-droid.org/en/packages/me.lucky.duress/) which doesn't work on my Samsung, but it worked on a Motorola that I once has. It sets up either a fake pin (aka: duress pin), and the duress pin can also be to just enter X characters, where X is at least 2 chracters more than your real password (example: if your pin is "2025", all you have to say is any string of 6 characters or more like "123456" and the wipe will happen, very useful since you probably won't remember a specific duress pin under stress)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

GOS has a duress pin feature fyi.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Oh wow, I'm getting more jealous 😅

I'm still hanging on my Samsung A-series phone because of the microsd card slot (and also don't feel like spending $500 for a phone at the moment)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's an old app on FDroid called AdminControl that let's you set this up on other ROMs. Basically just disables biometrics for lock screen.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It doesn't look like this has been updated for 6 years. Does it still work on Android 14/15, or is there another newer app that does this?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Can confirm it works on Android 15.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Ha, I found this the other day and thought it was neat... And turned it off after 30 minutes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Even with this, biometrics could be construed as proof that it is your phone, whereas just a password or pin still has some degree of deniability

[–] kn33 8 points 1 week ago

That's only if you're going for true "burner" levels of security

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

True. I didn't really consider the connection and more of the security side. I'm sure it differs but do you know if proof of ownership make a difference if they catch you with it in possession in the first place?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

IANAL, but if used as a burner phone with nothing identifiable on the device itself, you could probably claim you found it on the ground somewhere. You wont get the phone back most likely but that might be better than the alternative

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Makes sense. Also wasn't aware of "IANAL" and was hesitant to google but got it. Thanks lol

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

This guy anals.

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