I hope they'll join us
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I really hope they join Lemmy.
I've found Lemmy to be such a wonderful place. It seems like the top 25 percent of Redditors (in terms of understanding technology and programming) were randomly selected and ended up on Lemmy.
I think having more non-techie normies join Lemmy would be cool so I hope they all join us (although to be fair, a lot of transgender people end up as cybersecurity experts, not to stereotype people, so they may not all be non-techies - have no statistics to back this, just going on availability heuristic).
I hope Reddit keeps banning communities and people until it shrivles and dies. Does that make me a bad person?
Blows my mind that people still use reddit in the first place but this is a great time to migrate their community to Lemmy. Either on an already active instance or making their own
It surprises me how unknown lemmy still seems to be on reddit. When the blackouts happened it felt to me at least that there was talk about lemmy everywhere on reddit
And now those who were talking thus are here:-). (While Reddit is actively removing most mentions there.)
Those are the people we want in the fediverse. I hope they migrate and stick around.
Same, you all are loved and always welcome ❤️
The lemmy.blahaj.zone instance is literally a thing.
That’s why I edited my comment to advertise it at the top later (it’s me who posted the long ass Lemmy comment)
Though I would add I am still new to the fediverse and am not familiar with the owners of lemmy.blahaj.zone
I also think in the long run we need instances that are heavily vetted and defederated from the main instances. Growing from private Discord server alliances seems like a healthier option in the long run
the owners of lemmy.blahaj.zone
They are great.
Growing from private Discord server alliances seems like a healthier option in the long run
Could be, but would Discord users be willing to switch to a Reddit/Lemmy format?
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That's what I suggested there the other day
Ah, it's you, thank you!
Haha hey there! Hope the migration goes well :)
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Great that they're discussing it. Less great that people are still like "no one is ever going to move to Lemmy, so let's just ignore it and stay on the same or another centralized social media where we always are bound to someone else's whims". I posted a topic regarding anarchists staying on centralized platforms some months ago, and it still doesn't make sense to me that many, often marginalized groups, trust large corporations to be the place where they can organize. I realize the barriers to entry are lower, and that more people are on those sites (so that you can reach more), but it's still not logical at all in the end.
I hate to say this, but have you noticed how mentally lazy most people are? Using signal is easy. Bitwarden and randomized secure passwords is easy. I can’t get any of the normals in my life to make use of them. It’s too much mental labor to do something different. Something that isn’t forced on you by herd mentality and constant advertising spam.
I honestly think one of the reasons I love Lemmy is because the people that come here are the people mentally active enough to think outside of the cages mainstream social media builds for us.
we're all burnt out from life bending us over. I intended to sign up here for a couple months and onlu just got around to it.
I'm happy you got around to it! Welcome!
Welcome here!
thank you. I used kbin.social before it went down and only got around to getting back on the bandwagon.
Many of us were caught up in that trap as well:-(. There's Mbin if you want the same interface, but slrpnk.net is a perfectly fine instance and if you are happy with it there's no need at all to bother:-).
I get your last point but I wish there were more regular people to fill up all the non-tech coms...
People always say that choosing a server is too complicated so new users often don't get past that.
If that's all it takes to stop people they weren't very interested to begin with.
non technical people don't understand how computers work. for us it's intuitive that a computer can have a program on it that listens to a port on the network and serves interactive web pages for for most people "app on phone does something" is all they know. their mwental model is shaped by large corpo offerings.
I think our pitch to the tech illiterate should be "hey look at this great website, great content, mods actually do their jobs, users are friendly" let them sign up thinking a particular instance is just like what their used to, then they discover on their own accord that some users have an extra @example.com at the end, and if they ask explain that there are other websites just like that one, and the websites can exchange messages so it all works like one big website. for apps, just tell them "when you launch it for the first time it asks for your server, just type in the domain name, this app supports multiple websites. good, now put in your username and password and you're all set"
starting new people off in the browser might be a bit awkward on mobile but saving the federation talk for later is probably best. focus on the surface level appeal (a website that is good and doesn't suck) and they can learn why it doesn't suck later
The problem with that is, some instances are just shit, and new users that accidentally end up there will kinda lose interest before learning what instances mean.
Or any instance really that does not defederate from those. "For some reason nobody wants to join our Alt-Left Nazi bar over here... - why can't people be smart enough to not choose the bear?" (/s btw, in case it was not blindingly obvious).
But Ada and https://lemmy.blahaj.zone are hella impressive, and I don't pretend to understand why the name "blahaj" is turning some people off, but I would think it's an absolutely perfect opportunity to switch to?
I suppose that still leaves the issue of what to do to replace the wiki - perhaps a locked community with links structured in its sidebar to point to posts?
There are tools that can meet at least some of the needs being asked for, but nothing is perfect.
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I honestly think one of the reasons I love Lemmy is because the people that come here are the people mentally active enough to think outside of the cages mainstream social media builds for us.
Let's also be honest, people just don't know about Lemmy at all. There are a few communities here where I am sure that the tech literacy is average, but they do fine just because someone posted a detailed guide on how to setup their account, install an app and they're set.
Lemmy is a good enough Reddit replacement, but it just isn't known enough.
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Maybe check out PieFed as well. In contrast to Lemmy, it offers a Wiki. Though, I'm pretty sure it isn't federated yet. And it needs some more attention before becoming super useful. Selfhosting a wiki would be a good approach, too. We even have one federated Wiki: Ibis (by one of the Lemmy devs). But that's still in its infancy.
I'm a huge fan of PieFed. PieFed itself is definitely federated btw - in fact I'm talking to you from it right now - although I don't know about a wiki for it being federated (I would suspect not, bc Lemmy wouldn't have a way to "receive" it even if it were sent).
And yes, it's very much not ready for the common masses yet, but damn is it SUPER impressive with what it is able to do even right now - Categories of Communities, hashtags, an initial sign-up wizard so that someone doesn't have to start on All vs. have an empty Subscribed feed, etc. For those willing to endure the growing pains of working on a beta, it's already superior to Lemmy imho (especially with an alt Lemmy account to fall back on when PieFed doesn't work properly), though definitely there are far too many frustrating aspects for a non-technical user coming randomly from e.g. Reddit, that is true. (Hopefully not for too much longer though!:-)
Yes, I share your opinion. I prefer PieFed. It has some quirks you're bound to notice once you use it. A few missing things here and there, like the ability to upload pictures in comments. And people keep complaining about the lack of an app (while I think the prgressive web app is perfectly fine). But we get lots of other features in turn that are missing on Lemmy. Like the topics you mentioned. We have initial support for Wikis and lots of other things. And I like the technical design. Seems the underlying framework is far less complex than what Lemmy is based on. Which makes PieFed relatively robust, easier on the resources(?) or at least easier to fix once something goes wrong. And the small community is very impressive in improving all sorts of minor and major aspects of the platform. It's a bit difficult to compare both projects since they also operate on a different scale. We don't know if Piefed would be able to handle the several thousands of users of an active Lemmy instance. We'd need to grow to that size to find out. All I can say is, it's impressive and works well for what it is right now.
Pre-xactly!:-)
It being Python rather than Rust should help it grow features more quickly, though as you alluded might not scale as well - we'll see, though in the meantime it sends ~25-fold less data per request for the front page iirc, so network wise (if not quite server side) it seems off to a great start!
When the Thunder fork is ready that's going to be a huge milestone. I still think that the web UI is necessary to draw people in, without having to say "download this app, make an account, and then you can view it". But they both, and also the backend as well, will improve over time.
Piefed doesn't have app support yet. That's a deal breaker for a lot of users
Ah, I always forget about that. I pinned it to my phones homescreen with the Progressive web app and that pretty much does everything I need. So I really forget we need a dedicated app. The API is in the works, btw.
I know, hopefully it will come out soon 🤞
YSK They're porting thunder to it.
I know, but no timeframe yet, right?
I'm not sure. I only learned about it through https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi/issues/13 Not much information, though.
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