does no one else see the ethical quandary of relying on cheap exploited labor for our food?
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Sure, but it’s more in the “no ethical consumption under capitalism” kind of way rather than anything specific about the exploitation of the undocumented migrants. Exploitation goes into almost everything around us, and it’s something we have to deal with and work to improve unless we want to completely disconnect from modern society.
Just scanning the room around me, I wonder what the full labor history looks like in the value chain that produced my TV, the phone in my hand, my computer parts, the shirt on my back, AND the food in my kitchen.
If some of the farm labor that went into my food was from an undocumented immigrant that really wants to stay in this country and keep his or her job, I am not happy about the set of circumstances, but I also don’t want to rip that person out of their community and send them somewhere they do not want to go.
We tried to resolve this with legislation and the right wing crazies killed it each time. It's not like the average Democratic voter wants an undocumented underclass. The business interests do. And the GOP leadership gets to fund raise on the caravans.
Most Americans want a better life for these people. Step one isn't to spend a trillion dollars to deport them all.
Absolutely! But at the same time, it highlights the income inequality the majority of Americans are experiencing.
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I am a little shocked that healthcare is in the top 3. How many undocumented nurses are there? How do they obtain licensure? Or is this all just support staff?
According to this document from 2021, most of them are "assistants" and "aides" of various types, although it seems there are a few thousand registered nurses and other licensed healthcare providers and technicians. Maybe they get licensed on a visa and then overstay the visa?
Keep in mind, the current gov isn't just interested in "illegal" immigrants, but any non white people they can figure out a way to deport.
Many nurses are here on work visas.
Also Home Health aides, orderlies and other non licensed positions
I know she’s been villainized by the right, but I feel like, at this point, she needs to be elevated to key leadership of the party. She’s the only one who seems to be able to speak to specifics. I just listened to Jeffries on Jon Stewart’s podcast and it was all of the same old generalities.
I can't speak to every politician, but as a class, they seem to be elites that are disconnected from the average American.
AOC, having been a normal person, is able to bring the message that gets through to people without having it filtered through some sort of communication agency.
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Farms are just going to take it on the chin. They're losing their labor with the mass deportations and they're losing a hilariously large buyer of food with USAID being shut down.
So who's ready for the new price on food?
And they'll blame Democrats. And the Democratic Party won't combat the misinformation because they suck at messaging.
IMHO, Democrats have gotten much better with their messaging over the past decade. People just don't pay attention because diligently solving problems with substantial plans that take years to show effects isn't sexy or exciting.
I stay pretty keyed in to what's going on in congress, but I have to put effort into that. It seems like all the algorithms constantly want to shift my content to paying attention to all the crazy shit the GOP is up to and I'm constantly catching and stopping myself from getting sucked into rage porn.
Saying they're good at messaging and then saying people don't paying attention enough to see it is an oxymoron. If they were good at messaging you wouldn't have to pay attention to see it.
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People just don’t pay attention because diligently solving problems with substantial plans that take years to show effects isn’t sexy or exciting.
Yeah maybe... But they're also so bad at even just pointing out the horrible shit Republicans are constantly doing.
You're not looking. "Now This!" and Cspan are two great YouTube channels for democratic media coverage. Dems are constantly calling Republicans out on stuff. Cspan is extra cool because they post full, unedited hearings so you get to see dems actually try to govern while the alt-righters behave like children, yell, and posture for their 30 second media clips, then sit back down and stare at their phone until it's time to talk again.
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