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[–] [email protected] 171 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sigh... If I need to. unzips pants

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There's a strong chance he'd enjoy it; so maybe it's best not to just to spite him. Lol

[–] [email protected] 146 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In other news, shit spewing liar spews more shit and lies to get more of your money.

He thinks they're on the wrong side of history my ass. He doesn't care. He never cared. He will never care. The open source you and I know is completely different than the "open source" this chucklefuck is probably selling you on. "We need to figure out a different open source strategy" should be the biggest indicator here. Take everything he and his circlejerk says with the biggest fucking mountain of salt you can dream of and double it.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah totally agree. He has proven to be one of the slimiest people on the scene. I mean, he is pretty much throwing his colleagues under the bus in this statement too lol

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Altman is a parasite and always has been

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unless they open source their models, they should be forced to rename to ClosedAI. It's literally false advertising otherwise.

[–] serenissi 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

OpenVMS, now there's a name I've not heard in a long time, a long time...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I think my uncle knew it. He said it was dead.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is okay we are good. Already more than ~~3500~~ 9900 have forked DeepSeek.

Wild that it almost tripled in the 48 hours since I last checked.

https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3/forks

[–] Thcdenton 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Am i the only one who forks shit ill never touch?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

No you are not. I do it too.

Personal projects aside, I work for a major industrial technology company in the US East Coast and we are looking into it just in case. It may not be what we want but we are definitely trying it out.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It grinds my gears that someone who can't be fucked with capitalization has that much money and power. I get that using the shift key occasionally is an inconvenience but we do it to help the readers. A conversation is give and take.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Like all techbros it is an affectation to cultivate a certain sort of appearance. A type of mad faux intellectualism.

You literally have to be a tryhard to do all lowecase on a phone, for example.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

i've disabled auto caps on my phone :o

i generally type in all lower case because it appears more casual, at least to me. it's not exactly a rule i follow, so it's never consistent, and i don't mind capitalizing abbreviations and names and such anyways.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Who says he's on a phone?

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[–] ObsidianZed 14 points 1 week ago

Man... I initially read that as

can't be fucked with capitalism

and I was thoroughly confused.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

This is the Reason why Germans are angry all the Time.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago

Lol. They didn't even publish weights since GPT2. And weights are not enough for open source.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Can someone ELI5? He's admitting it was never truly open? Or they were wrong for thinking open was good at all?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

OpenAI was started to be as open as possible, and to prevent the kinds of capitalism-driven Closed-AI development that they have now themselves become.

My personal opinion is that closed AI systems are only good if the owners are trustworthy. And in the long-run, no single owner can be trusted. There are risks with letting everyone copy and customize AI, however the worse danger is that the power gets too centralized with one single company.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

OpenAI was started to be as open as possible, and to prevent the kinds of capitalism-driven Closed-AI development that they have now themselves become.

No, that was what OpenAI said its goals originally were. They were lying. They always intended for it to become a capitalist venture. Anyone who listens to Tech Won’t Save Us or This Machine Kills or Team Human have known all along. Or anyone like me who’s been in the industry for thirty years.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I too have been in the industry for many a decade and I heartily concur. I do have many colleagues though that also have been in for many years, and those are still dedicated believers. Maybe their critical thinking has been eaten away by all the lead in soldering tin?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That reminds me, I was temporarily blinded once from breathing in too much soldering fume.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Ah interesting - cheers for sharing!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

It's really disappointing as a huge fan of sci-fi myself. I know we won't get flying cars and stuff anytime soon, but technology in general is super cool. Humans are really ingenious.

And these corporate troglodytes had to go and ruin a good thing. I hope their balls explode.

[–] zkfcfbzr 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He's saying they're wrong for not currently being open.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 2 points 1 week ago

No, he said they "need to figure out a different open source strategy". That is completely different.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We have plenty of alternatives like Mistral, Gemini, qwen, deepseek...

But none of them is fully open source that you know data they've been trained with, right? Maybe only K2 ?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I thought deepseek was open source. Guess not

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

You can download the model, you do not have the source of the model.

It is similar to releasing a compiled software app as shareware vs publishing your source code.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just the weights, training it is another story.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm not sure what kind of admission that is other than they aren't on top anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

He doesn’t admit shit . No one should print this

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] xpsking 5 points 1 week ago

Lol, lmao even

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Well, if openai open sources all their models, what value is there left that is unique to openai? Training data? But that is only valuable if they invent a better way to make it into an "AI".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Most companies that have open source products make their money in providing support for it to other companies, so theoretically OpenAI could do that (in fact top level AI developers are pretty rare so they could charge way more than other companies do for consulting) but that wouldn't be a hundreds-of-billions-of-dollars business plan because it's much too sensible.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hosting a model of that size requires ~800GB of VRAM. Even if they release their models, it wouldn't make them obsolete since most people and many companies couldn't host it either way.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

OpenAI started as a non-profit, so it could be 100% open and still be truthful to it's original intentions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago
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