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Russia, China, Iran, or some other country?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on who's territory the fight is happening. Any of those three would absolutely win with home field advantage.

The whole world is getting nuked before the U$ loses a full scale peer conflict, though, unfortunately.

[–] Dashi 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not disagreeing with you per say. Homefield advantage isn't nearly as big of an advantage as it used to be. The logistical train the us has had extensive experience using over the decades and the strides made in surveillance are just insane.

Yes there is the population, time to fortify and all that. But the big factors of being far from home, not having resources, and not knowing what you are walking into are not nearly as bad as it used to be.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

If the United States has to cut China out of logistics and China has to cut the United States out of logistics, that would be very hairy, but I see this as the United States using hard power to undermine its soft power in the long term. I hope that the people in charge of nukes in the USA can't or don't start a nuclear war in that situation.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia, because every time you crack a Russian defence fortification it turns out there is another, smaller one inside

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

china. wasn't there a war game simulation run by the US military against hypothetical chinese military where they literally had to change the rules because the US kept losing or something?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought that was Iran, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were more 💀

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The war games were mostly against China. But some of them included Russia and Iran as secondary allies.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This was the only one I definitely know of where they had to change the rules to get a victory, lmao. Embarrassing stuff.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ahh yeah that was classic and it really speaks to the state of the US military

they can't fathom that there's any possibility that they could lose a war, especially against more primitive methods of communication and attack. However, they haven't actually won any wars that involved an adversary who had the ability to fight back at all

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

oh my bad, this is what i was thinking of and it was iran, thanks

[–] TokenBoomer 1 points 1 year ago

Half a billion $ to lose. See, this is how I know there’s no God. Either that or he’s laughing his wings off. /s

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmfao libs found this real offensive huh.

🧻🐯

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

All their antiwar stances and war guilt is just performative.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At this rate? The other factions of the US military.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

No debate really. Obviously China has the most diverse set of weapons and shit and the infrastructure and funding and such to support it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Given their track record, any guerilla military force with a few assault rifles, apparently.

The honest answer is China, but I would hope the US crumbles from within before it ever comes to that. While I have no doubt that the US would be crushed, I also have no doubt that the loss of life (nevermind the environmental fallout) would set humanity back decades. That's assuming the US didn't resort to nuclear weapons as a last gasp.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Depends on what the nature of the conflict is.

In the event that Taipei declares independence and the US comes to its aid, I can't see them outmatching the PLA in conventional kinetic warfare. The US could use nukes, but this would invoke a nuclear retaliation from the PRC - less about the US wins and more about everyone loses.

As another commenter has stated, all three countries that you have listed would successfully fend off an American invasion if they fought in their home field.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

If no nukes, China would mop the floor with USA, like complete annhilation to the point where they would have PTSD Vietnam*million and never think about daring to go to war ever again because their whole military would be destroyed.

If nukes are used, Russia woud delete USA off the map in like 30 minutes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

An American civil war.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Iran would be another Iraq for the US. So regardless of what the 20 year outcome of the hypothetical Iran-US war was, the current political party in charge of Iran would be dead and the installed US puppet government would be considered illegitimate by all the other political sects.

Russia and China would win on their home turf, and get absolutely destroyed in all possible ways if they tried to invade the US in this ridiculous Tom Clancy scenario the OP has concocted.