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[–] jordanlund 1 points 2 days ago

You may not agree with the Economist, but they are not a garbage source.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economist/

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What is it with all the posts from the Economist? They are right wing capitalist garbage.

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[–] Lauchs 5 points 3 days ago (14 children)

I take it folks saw the phrase cancel culture and downvoted?

It's actually a fascinating article. Odessa has been at the intersection of Ukraine and Russia for ages. Lots of Russian speakers who resisted Russia etc. But as the invasion goes on, people are being attacked for speaking Russian, statues of Odessa's most famous people torn down etc. And you can kind of see where both sides are coming from.

It's an issue I imagine almost none of us knew or thought about, if not for the phrase "cancel culture" why on Earth are we downvoting it?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (51 children)

Nah, it's because the article is bullshit.

The "kind of see where both sides are coming from" is de facto support for russian genocidal imperialism.

We don't need Pushkin statues, we have our own artists and our own heroes.

Getting rid of russian language and russian "culture" is a legitimate aim when your country has suffered multiple genocides and centuries of colonialism. Russian culture is trash and has no value. It's like saying Islamic state culture is legitimate. Would you be opposed to getting rid of Nazis imagery too?

This is just the economist's version of teenage edgelord posts. I would like to invite the author and their family to Donbas (this is where me and my family or from), we'll see what he thinks about Pushkin after that.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

~~Is this what you want to normalize? Shitting on some random people (Muslims in this case) just to make your point?~~

~~People might even be on your side but like this I don’t think you’re any better than the people you’re criticizing, dehumanization begins with language.~~

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

How am I shitting on Muslims? What are you even on about? You're equating Muslims to the Islamic state?

You can think whatever you want. You don't have to deal with russians, of course you're going to feign concerns about humanitarianism.

It is easy to reject reality, engage in historical revisionism, white-wash russian crimes, when the alternative works out to be you defacto promoting genocidal imperialism. Not many people want to end up on the wrong side of history and be caught saying "supporters and participants of the Nazi regime are not that bad". It is far easier to convince yourself that it's really about humanitarian concerns.

Then there is the cowardice angle. Feigning concern about humanitarianism provides a nice escape valve for de facto meek and complacent behaviour with respect to russian PR campaigns (nuclear sabre rattling). No one wants to look like a coward and a fool at the same time.

So keep at it, bro!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Okay you literally mean ISIS, sorry about that! I just misunderstood what you were saying.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Even a from a purely Ukro-nationalist framing (and I don't consider myself a nationalist, I am not even white), I would of course support the Ukrainian Crimea Tartar community.

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