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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Nobody outside the company has been able to confirm whether the impressive benchmark performance of OpenAI's o3 model represents a significant leap in actual utility or just a significant gap in the value of those benchmarks. However, they have released information showing that the most ostensibly-powerful model costs orders of magnitude more. The lede is in that first graph, which shows that for whatever performance gain o3 costs over ~$10 per request with the headline-grabbing version costing ~$1500 per request.

I hope they've been able to identify a market willing to pay out the ass for performance that, even if it somehow isn't over hyped, is roughly equivalent to an average college graduate.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

if all of that $1500 cost is electricity, and at arbitrarily chosen but probably high electricity price of $0.2/kWh, that's 7.5MWh per request. could be easily twice that. this is approx how much electricity four 4-person households consume in a year in poland. or about half of american one. six tons of TNT equivalent, or almost 2/3 ton of oil equivalent if you prefer

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Not sure where this came from, but it can't be all bad if it chaos-dunks on Yudkowsky like this. Was relayed to me via Ed Zitron's Discord, hopefully the Q isn't for Quillete or Qanon

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I recognize everyone except Leopold. Increase my suffering by telling me who it is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

https://xcancel.com/leopoldasch Leopold Ashenbrenner, some chart maker and ~~substack~~ blog haver with twitter account. swallows all openai marketing materials hook line and sinker, i had enough of abyss gazing duty today won't tell you more

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago

He retweeted Ivanka praising him... 🤢

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

his academic output is funny, he has 2 arxiv preprints, an article (?) published not in any normal journal, but instead on some other dude's blog (??), and an article at somewhere called unjournal, which claims that it's not a journal, (???) but instead it's a nonprofit packed with EAs. and that nets him 230 citations (that's looking up in google scholar, not going to fire up scopus just for that)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

each of them needs a scale (logarithmic) showing how much adderall they take

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

this logo in corner is for something called overfit qs, they have instagram page and that image was posted there

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

ellison wants to compete with thiel for title of chief boot-wielder https://archive.is/cOnPx

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 hours ago

Not that I expect anything better from the fucking lawnmower but the flippant attitude on display is little short of amazing. How bad is it when Business Insider of all publications calls your vision a "surveillance dystopia"?

Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there's a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person.

Body cam footage of the officer-involved shooting was not available, as the AI system supervising the involved officers was coincidentally disregarding its previous instructions and instead writing a minstrel show routine at the time of the event.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I have landed on a "you can get fucked if you make this annoying for me, I don't need your product anyway" response to everything. The silver lining is that I will be dealing with way more bullshit while being just as angry all the time at everything.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Hopefully 2025 will be a nice normal year--

Cybertruck outside of Trump hotel explodes violently and no once can figure out if it was a bomb or just Cybertruck engineering

Huh. I guess it'll be another weird one.

(I know I know, low effort post, I'm sick in bed and bored)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hey, at least there’s no way the Elon simps can spin that, right?

Never mind.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They are also spinning it into "the car is so great you cant do terrorism with it due to how strong it is", which considering the several vehicle terrorism acts recently seems very unwise.

Also 'it would be different for the bystanders' i think you can see on the explosion vid there were not that many bystanders (which makes terrorism a bit less likely) and still 7 people were hurt (and the driver died). Id wait a bit with drawing further conclusions.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Steel, like a pressure cooker

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago

Somebody pointed out that I might have been wrong and steel might be a perfect shield for anything.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

chalk it down to perp incompetence. single direct hit with old 155mm shell (7kg explosive) can destroy a normal modern tank, nevermind a car. no amount of shitty panels would contain anything at least mildly substantial. there were cases of suicide vests with bigger charge than that (10kg) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66355032

i think you can see on the explosion vid there were not that many bystanders (which makes terrorism a bit less likely)

symbolic building (??) still makes sense as a target for terrorist attack

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure but id expect the perp to first use the cybertruck to ram into the building, or at least move closer, and not park nicely, otoh, if he was a terrorists what do I know, dont exactly know what goes through their mind shortly before things at high speeds go through their mind.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

parking like this raises less suspicion. maybe he wasn't sure enough about whatever igniting mechanism he had, he could end up stuck in a wall unable to get out to look it up

instead of high speed disassembly dude just burned down in automatically locked death trap, i guess he found that anticlimatic. not like isis (guessing) recruits brightest minds out there

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah the story is about to get weird. Your isis guess might not be far off. See this same military base as the guy who drove into the crowds.

Writers of 2025: "Somehow isis returned." (I know isis never left, media just looked less at it, but thought it would be a funny joke).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

i've seen that news piece on how they were in the same base and how they were deployed in afghanistan around the same time previously and that's what i based this guess on

still, so far it could be anything else including complete coincidence. it's like dude forgot everything, he was radioman but couldn't make remote controlled detonator and didn't use efficient charge for some reason

not only isis never left, i guess they controlled some territory at least until last month even if it was only a couple of villages in desert

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Don't worry about the low effort post, even the writers of 2025 are phoning it in.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

this isn’t surprising at all, but some of the details are interesting: Server found in apartment funded by Russian government used AI to interfere with 2024 US elections

LLMs really are designed for this kind of thing, aren’t they?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

hoping for a 2025 with solidarity, aid, and good opsec for everyone who needs it the most

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

as an amuse bouche for the horrors that will follow this year, please enjoy this lobste.rs reaching the melting down end stage after going full Karen at someone who agrees with a submitted post saying LLMs are a dead end when it comes to AI.

https://lobste.rs/s/lgqwje/does_current_ai_represent_dead_end#c_tefto4

Thankfully, accusing someone of being a crapto promoter is seen as an attack that is beyond the pale.

Highlights from the rest of the thread include bemoaning the lack of a downvote button for registering disapproval:

https://lobste.rs/s/lgqwje/does_current_ai_represent_dead_end#c_ft9mpj

unilaterally deciding to reply multiple times to one comment, neccesitating them to add a meta comment with hyperlinks

https://lobste.rs/s/lgqwje/does_current_ai_represent_dead_end#c_jjk5ei

And of course is a MoreWronger (moroner?)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you go over to LessWrong, you can get some ideas of what is possible

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

I just got a hit of esprit d'escalier, and wished I'd replied to this

But the road to Hackers News is paved with good intentions.

with

So too is the road to Roko's Basilisk.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

one day i'll finally catch a lobste permaban thanks to your links :-)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

enjoy your flags from outraged simps

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Lol of course they think they are civil and other people as pushing nasty rethoric. Quite the sealion feeling.

Wonder if they even notice how much communication weirdness they themself used. With the emphasis of emotional laden language. (They didnt use bold so i cant call it crank capitalization, but more crank cursive. A big deal for me! ;) )

Anyway the questioning of "how do you know this is why there is no downvoting" shows the type of person they are. (And is quite the Rationalist annoying behavior, suddenly they demand excessive sourcing for small remarks of people they disagree with).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Comment sections on awful.systems are similar to this Drew Gooden sketch sometimes:

It's just hard for me to give MY input when I don't even know what's going on

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

Once a month or so Awful Systems casually mentions a racist in some sub-sub-culture who I had never heard about before and then I get to spend an hour doing background research on obscure net drama from 2013 or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

If you stick around and do a bunch of research you will end up better informed and much unhappier.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I’m making a mental note to keep that link around for the next time someone barges into one of our threads and does the “I don’t know what this is, here’s my reaction to what I thought the topic was, no I didn’t read the article or lurk” routine

as a bonus they might accidentally watch the rest of the video and finally figure out how much AI sucks

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

“I don’t know what this is, here’s my reaction to what I thought the topic was, no I didn’t read the article or lurk”

bizarre that they actually just say this

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

You know guys, it's really hard for me to give MY input when you are so negative about all the terrible things I like. Next time you guys come CRAWLING to me for advice, try not hating me as a human being for everything my twisted value system represents.

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