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Is that really up to Nolan? I don't know anything about the industry but is a director in charge of making sure everyone is credited?

As someone who had his name left out of film credits before (actually, it listed the guy’s name who didn’t get the role I got instead of mine), I know how this stings. Sadly film & television is full of neglectful morons, they fuck up, ultimately all you can do is move on.

This is a really interesting issue within the industry. I work within the film and television industry, both in Australia and the UK, and have never been credited for the roles that I do that, some would argue, should be credited for.

But when you break down something like a mega-Hollywood-super-feature-blockbuster-film like Oppenheimer, the amount of ancillary and auxiliary bodies working on a movie like this, would amount to a credit role that would be very hard to keep track of.

For example, do you credit the data wranglers who might be assisting the DIT, or the courier service who delivers dailies to the post house? Or the team of edit assistants who make proxies for OCM? Do you credit every person who was on craft catering for the entire production run?

On one hand, I can see why it is “consolidated” to team leads, or heads of departments, but personally I think that ANYONE who worked on the film SHOULD be credited, as their time is equally as important as everyone else’s.

I have learnt to accept that my name won’t be appearing in any credit role, despite the hours I put in to make sure it happens, and I am okay with that, but totally understand and support anyone who feels like they should get the recognition… as I said at the start… interesting issue.

I think the various unions are the only reason anybody gets a credit at all. George Lucas got fined for not putting enough credits at the start of Star Wars, iirc.

Kind of sucky that people get no credit, although sitting through the credits of Red Dead Redemption 2 will probably give an idea of why they don't list everybody at every studio and contracted company that worked on it, since they were about half an hour long.

He also claims there isn't even one CGI shot in the entire film. I don't believe that. There aren't any backgrounds filled in at all? No touch ups? If he used matte paintings you would be able to tell with IMAX, there's too much definition to pass off a painting.

"forgot". The guy really went above and beyond to sell his gimmick "no cgi". I've even seen some of his fanatics defend this by saying "IMAX reels can only hold 3 hours of film which is why the CGI people had to be removed from credits". As if they couldn't have been credited early in the credits and as if the movie wasn't less than 3 hours (don't know where that person was but where I am, the movie is supposed to last 2h40 something minutes, aka less than 3 hours)

Damn, does his hate for VFX even extend to the people working on it?

In my job, I often ghost write extensive legal arguments for Supreme Court litigation, on behalf of Senior Counsel (we call the practice ‘devilling’).

I do weeks of research, strategy, writing, rewriting, and the senior will then submit and argue my papers as their own.

Most of the time, I don’t even get to attend. I’m not officially on record. And when I do a great job, judges might praise the senior for ‘their’ excellent work, and I’ll hear about it second-hand.

It can be hard to stomach because everyone likes affirmation and appreciation for their labour, but I’ve learned to take all my satisfaction from the work alone, and doing an excellent job.

At least in my case, I know this is how it goes so it’s never a surprise. But it’s lonely behind the scenes in a thankless role.

I empathise with the uncredited, but at the end of the day the reward is in the quality of your output.

And you have the other side of movie credits where they add the crew pets , new born kids and deceased during filming.

I geuss that for a movie like Oppenheimer the credit would last longer than the movie itself.

I wouldn't think the recognition from the public would be main reason. I figured that the biggest reason you'd want the credit is for future employers to see your name attached to a film. I would imagine they would be the ones to either sit through credits or search a credits database to see who worked on which films or worked on films recently.

At the very least add a QR code with links to a document containing all names involved. Wouldnt be hard and a database like that wouldn't cost much to run.

This is pretty normal. When I worked in vfx the studio I worked for took out pages in variety to give everyone a credit.

Most of the people who work on a film don’t get credit. There is above the line and below the line , they get credit. Most people aren’t even on the page.

I was able to get a credit once and my parents were proud.