My guess is: Both were recommended, admins deleted the one mentioning Lemmy, since it's an actual threat.
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I don't even think so. My post about the latest version of Voyager explicitly mentions Lemmy and is still up, but with only 22 points
Mentioning an app update isn't exactly a "call to action".
"Lemmy Now Supports [New Feature]! Come join us now!" that is what might get removed
This post from 6 days ago is very similar to the one about Discuit today "I like this alternative, I hope more people will try it out" : https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1hftcn1/i_am_happy_with_the_alternative/
Still up at this moment. I know Reddit mods have a very bad reputation, but I genuinely believe the ones on that community are not silencing Lemmy.
Mods aren't, admins are.
Admins are obviously gonna keep an eye on subreddits like r/Lemmy r/RedditAlternatives, and delete anything that is "too far out of line".
Oh yes, admins are a whole other bunch, but I mean, they are Reddit employees.
Still, this post calls out Reddit censorship, the most upvoted comment there still available is about Lemmy: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1hf84n6/redditors_are_waking_up_to_the_censorship_after_a/
I just found what was the body of the post that got removed: https://feddit.org/post/5876016/3775185
In this case it's probably a mix of directly calling out Spez, and calling out Reddit practices.
I'd rather have people migrate over organically. I think Reddit was spoiled for me when it went from a niche collection of interesting people and topics to Facebook in a forum format. Almost anytime I go on r/all now i couldn't tell if the posts were recent or bot reposts from 5 years ago. The smaller subreddits still keep the spirit of the place going but the general community is just another social network.
Part of my problem is my niche hobbies have not migrated over or are trying their damndest but 99.9% stayed on Reddit and only 0.1% is here. Lucky that it is 0.1% and not actually 0%. I do try to be part of that 0.1%, hence modding [email protected].
I never went to r/all or any aggregate of top posts. I just left because some of my bigger hobby communities seemed meaner all of a sudden—wait, no, they are not meaner, they just forcibly sorted my home feed on mobile by controversial… and also the API drama, which didn't impact me because the app always worked fine for me, but I figured with the ragebaiting, might as well dip in solidarity with people actually being affected.
Nothing actually seems real on Reddit anymore. Comments are fake and every story someone tells is fake too. News is just pushed by propaganda algorithms. It’s all gone to 💩
I’ll enjoy it here while it lasts.
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What makes this non organic? I learned about reddit on digg and Lemmy on Reddit. Seemed organic to me.
Maybe they just expect users to accidentally type in the name of a Lemmy instance into the URL bar? Is that organic enough?
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I say let them try the website themselves. If they liked using that website, then it's okay. If they don't like it then it's okay too, maybe they'll try lemmy out.
A comment saying
Lemmy is federated, with communities scatered around different servers. If someone is gonna search for an alternative to reddit, I doubt they want to have to learn to navigate the fediverse.
Currently has 15 votes, while my comment suggesting people to try Lemmy as it's bigger is down to 2.
I'm not sure if Lemmy just has a very bad reputation over there in general, or if Discuit people are brigading the comments
People find the "which 'Gaming' community is the real one?" issue very frustrating, because they currently have the illusion that they have access to everything all in one place. The idea that you can't have a discussion with a million other people is meaningless to them, totally crushed under the weight of FOMO.
They look at Reddit, and they look at Lemmy, and they see that they're different, but don't really care why. They see that different (not more, just different) effort is required to navigate the space. They don't care that they just need a different mental model to understand the space -- they don't want one. And the design language of the space communicates to them that they don't need one.
I'm not going to get up on my soapbox and rant and rave about this today -- I'm too tired, and it's too busy of a week -- but this is what I mean when I keep saying we can't win against centralized social media by aping the UI. "Lemmy" just isn't a Reddit replacement in the same way that another centralized service is. A Lemmy-based website, sure. But not the network of them.
totally crushed under the weight of FOMO.
Wouldn't they have FOMO by not following /r/Gaming, /r/Games, /r/Videogames, etc. as well?
And the design language of the space communicates to them that they don’t need one.
They don't really need one. They can just open https://vger.app/ , see that it's quite similar to what Apollo used to be, then have a look around and see if they like it. They don't need to understand federation to lurk. They don't need to understand federation to install an app.
If they click on the vote or comment buttons, Voyager suggests them to register an account on Lemm.ee. Again, no need to understand what federation is to get it running.
Reddit could be manipulating votes that mention Lemmy, or otherwise shadowbanning mentions of it.
It could be that a first glance at lemmy is total shit. The "front page" is a hot mess, half in German with piles of pervy anime and Linux posts. It might be hard to believe, but not everyone likes that stuff. It takes heavy curating to get a moderately personally interesting feed and very few people are going to do that.
But that's just it, "Lemmy's" front page isn't like that. There's no "Lemmy" front page. There's a thousand different ones.
Reddit is a website. Lemmy is a potentially unlimited, constantly changing, number of websites. They're not directly comparable.
There’s a thousand different ones.
I just opened the following instances without being logged on
- https://lemm.ee/
- https://lemmy.zip/
- https://discuss.tchncs.de/
- https://sh.itjust.works/
- https://lemmy.world/
The same posts are there. You would only get a very different All feed on something like https://beehaw.org, but they are quite unique in that regard.
So, what we mean by "Lemmy", then, is the circle of 5 - 10 largest, unfocused "general interest" Lemmy-based sites?
Because front page of startrek.website and ttrpg.network look quite a bit different. The All page of ttrpg.network is meaningfully, though not radically, different from the All pages on those sites. And you've already mentioned beehaw, which probably should be seen as a better model for how to operate a Lemmy-based website. leminal.space also has a fairly long block list, and its All page is also meaningfully different and less grating than seen on the Big 5.
It looks different depending on which site you're using. Unless you restrict yourself to the sites that do everything the same as one another.
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It takes heavy curating to get a moderately personally interesting feed and very few people are going to do that.
That's a valid point. We should probably get a Chill feed, and as much as some people would hate to not see news, politics and tech in there, that could help.
A small list I just curated that could be in there
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Exactly this. Lemmy isnt that great if you're not into few specific topics. My ban/blacklist is HUGE. It took a ton of work to make it so every other post isn't anime porn/fantasy fulfillment and suggestions to switch to Linux. If I'm being honest I still browse reddit in an app because otherwise I've run out of things to see on Lemmy in about 20 minutes each day.
I only use Subscribed and sometimes Local on topic-specific instances. Do I run out of new stuff to see? Sure. But that is fine, there are other things to do with my time than scroll on social media. (Content discovery through [email protected] or just hopping around on the community list of an instance. But frankly, it is internet funtime, not meaningful inform myself time, so even if I only stuck to my few communities and buried my head in the sand—which to be honest is the majority of my strategy to avoid drowning in politics and angry/depressing memes that inevitably circle back to politics—it would be just fine.)
It is interesting how people get different results. My process has been to simply block a user or instance when it's obvious nothing from there will ever be interesting to me. I haven't had to do that a lot though, and I don't see any of what you suggest. Then again, while I see mostly Lemmy content, I use Mbin, so perhaps that's part of it as well. Some instances might preblock better than others.
I do think the learning curve is higher than traditional social media. Not that it's hard, but the average person wants a plug and play without having to do anything. The caveat of having a preset curation of "safe" feed is that most people don't explore past that, and it's the random stuff that wanders in that makes things more interesting.
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I think it could be the "Tankie Devs" FUD coming into play. People don't understand the devs don't control anything other than lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml, if they start injecting BS code, we could always fork it.
But one "Devs are Tankies" comment would just scare the neolibs and centrists away. (conservatives are never joining, that's not just a dev PR issue, its the userbase being too "left wing" for them, also, I doubt conservatives care about corporations controlling everything)
one “Devs are Tankies” comment would just scare the neolibs and centrists away.
I tried to mitigate that with a post a few months ago: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1fmuk7o/post_to_address_the_usual_criticism_about_lemmy/
I use it as a reference every time someone brings it up
I thought your parent comment to it was very well stated and succinct.
e.g. you don't have to know how it works anymore than someone needs to know how email or a combustion engine works - you simply click to go there and start reading stuff, if you like it then make an account and start participating as well.:-)
Lemmy requires heavy curation to block extremist content if one is so inclined (as I am), but wasn't Reddit becoming that way too when we left it? And on X I think it simply can't be done at all. It would be neat if we could add a "political" tag to filter by (like NSFW/NSFL), but meh, it is what it is.
Unlike some other instances, the default there is All, so they'll see the entirety of the Fediverse (minus Lemmygrad + Hexbear) even without an account or having to click anything at all. It's the perfect instance to recommend to the Reddit audience that is so heavily American (according to similarweb, 51%:-).
You are doing great work making sure that people are aware of what choices they have available to them - what they do with that is ofc up to them.:-)
I would be interested in helping with a coordinated effort to promote Lemmy instances on Reddit. Sometimes I check in on /r/RedditAlternatives and it's clear 90% of the people who would be happy with Lemmy have already left for Lemmy. But there are many threads where a simple "maybe check out Lemmy I like it a lot" could do a lot of help. It's not like users need to quit Reddit but every post on a Lemmy instance (even if it's also on Reddit) helps make our instances more appealing.
Perhaps setting up a community here to link to such threads could be a useful idea? And we could get talking points aligned as well.
[email protected] should definitely work, I'll have try to see if there were recent posts and try to link them there
However, be aware thar most of the mods are going to remove mentions of Reddit alternatives.
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Perhaps setting up a community here to link to such threads could be a useful idea?
Sounds like a great idea! Any reason these couldn't be posted right here in [email protected]? I think promoting the fediverse and growing the userbase falls well within the scope of c/fedigrow.
Certainly would fit here but a dedicated space I think would function better for coordinating a specific task.
I wasn’t on Reddit for over a year but from what I’ve heard about /r/redditalternatives is that it’s a shitshow.
If somebody is still on Reddit, direct recruitment over DMs might be better if there’s a candidate who might be interested.
Are we hazing people on entrance? I didn't get the memo that we're running a cult over here.
I don't use Reddit, but getting DMs from people telling me to use other platforms sounds like a great way to get me to not try those platforms.
This thread made me go see what's up with Discuit, though, so... food for thought about social media dynamics.
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I wasn’t on Reddit for over a year but from what I’ve heard about /r/redditalternatives is that it’s a shitshow.
It's quite okay to be honest. Not that active, but that's mostly it.
If somebody is still on Reddit, direct recruitment over DMs might be better if there’s a candidate who might be interested.
The issue is that to DM you have to know who is actually interested, and you'll miss most of the lurkers. Also, this could be reported as spamming and get you banned.
Ah, thanks for the info and very good point. Good to hear that it’s not that bad.
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I just had a look at https://discuit.net/DiscuitMeta, the thread there has been deleted too.
Not sure what happened, maybe they were afraid they were getting trolls from the post on Reddit?
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