Plumbers, electricians, homebuilders, sanitation workers, and electrical workers. Who'd I miss?
Thank you all for a fine poopie.
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I mean, it's almost the entire service and retail economy. Shout out to the driver of the truck that did the delivery to the supermarket of the turkey you'll poop out the next day. We owe everything to everyone.
Merry Christmas and may your next poop be a blessed one.
Smartphone factory workers and Internet network engineers.
Shampoo bottle sticker makers
I regret not growing up in a Dr Bronners household.
Dilute! Dilute! Ok!
Farmers.
My response isn’t showing because I’m a dipshit: I said:
I’m with you.
I don’t think I meant to delete my comment; I’ve been drinking too.
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The fact that you’re responding to no one makes this top tier
I'm so slow, my first reaction was:
What kind of disgusting new behavior are the weirdos getting up to now? Shitting indoors. The very thought of it!
tl;dr: We live in a society
Personally I live in Texas so the only people enabling me are the Oil companies ensuring I never see a blizzard, from Global Warming.
Jokes on you, climate change means unpredictable weather, so you'll actually get worse blizzards.
Did you just predict unpredictable weather?
Oh don’t worry, you will
Hopefully we don't have to always be dependent on so many other people and services to have basic dignity and sanitation.
People who live off-grid, van/rv/etc., homestead, etc. lifestyles are pioneering a future where we don't need services that aren't likely that great for the environment - such as public sewage, our reliance on fossil fuels to power and heat our homes and electronics, or unsustainable agriculture that isn't in balance with the environment or even nutritionally-dense.
I am grateful to the people who enable our standard of living to survive with some semblance of dignity, and especially those focused on solutions, so we can get to the point of self-sufficiency, sustainability, and balance in our environment as a species and planet.
Shitting in a bucket in a van is less noble than you make it out to be.
Not everybody craps in plastic trash bags and throws them in the trash. There's a number of setups that do not rely on landfills/etc. to do the disposal. I think campgrounds or other parking spots for RVs/etc. and those who live in them, are a perfect first-target for regulation that rethinks waste disposal and the implementation of environmentally-friendly disposal, reuse, and remediation.
Alot of that just isn’t something we can do inside cities
Well we should recognize cities and rural are basically different countries that needs different laws, policy and governance.
We already do. Lots of rural communities already use septic tanks for waste management instead. And there really isn’t a good alternative for landfills. You can compost food but that’s only like half the waste.
We will have to ban single-use plastics (and plastics being used unnecessarily), planned obsolescence as a concept for product development, non-repairable/disposable electronics/products, etc. to really make a dent on landfill usage. But as you say, it's hard to get around landfills completely when capitalism is this out of control.
We need to produce products that can actually be recycled (without the use of toxic chemicals or PFAs), produce more products locally vs. shipping them across the world (using glass to replace most plastic use). We likely need to reinvent garbage collection (what's acceptable to throw out), a revolution in recycling and product design, education campaigns on recycling and proper garbage disposal, and DIY movements to restore older electronics to their glory using open and free solutions.
It’s fun when someone comments something you completely agree with :). My only response is “yes”
Unfortunately, I don't think the world's emerging situation will allow people to live en-masse (in ever-growing numbers) in cities in their current form for too much longer.
Cities are more efficient than rural communities. Concentration of people is better than spreading everyone out. You’d see much more environmental destruction if everyone moved rural. Plus it’s much harder to get resources to rural communities. Modifications should be made but everyone pooping in the woods in a bucket isn’t a good idea either.
Cities are more efficient than rural communities.
They can be in some respects, sure. They are also vastly more unhealthy to reside in, will likely fail to meet energy needs and water needs in the face of a shift in climate and in precipitation, and are suffering from vast amounts of pollution in every direction.
Concentration of people is better than spreading everyone out.
I disagree with your opinion, but in a more healthy world I would probably agree with you.
You’d see much more environmental destruction if everyone moved rural.
With today's world and consumerism, you are probably correct.
Plus it’s much harder to get resources to rural communities.
This country is ripe for high-speed rail infrastructure for freight. I think local communities should be less dependent on the global/national economy to meet their needs. If we can put Walmarts everywhere and stock them to the brim with junk from China (etc.) we can provide people the basic necessities.
Modifications should be made but everyone pooping in the woods in a bucket isn’t a good idea either.
I don't think we need to poop in buckets and I wasn't suggesting it. Overall, we need completely new systems that are known to be safe and effective, regulatory bodies that are functioning and on the side of the people (or humanity as a whole), and a mass banning of chemicals like Europe.
I apologize for the quick and perceivably chide responses, I think we both want a better world and we likely agree on a lot of things. I see your good intentions. Thank you for sharing your perspective and I really do appreciate your responses and time - I just don't personally see the path forward in ultra-capitalist hellscapes like cities. There is too much complexity, mindless dependence on the existing systems, and too much overarching parasitism standing in the way in those areas for meaningful progress unless there are vast shifts occurring which I do not have the foresight or eyes to see.
Modern sewer systems are safe, spreading everyone around the country side and connect with high speed rail isn’t feasible. We need to work on our communities and make cities safe for people to live in, get rid of cars etc. spreading out isn’t the answer
Modern sewer systems are safe
They produce biosolids which are probably very contaminated and are presently jammed into landfills if they are not (from my understanding) unsafely repurposed. I'd like to see people openly entertain the various uses we could have for our waste. Our systems aren't good enough quite yet to close the book on.
connect with high speed rail isn’t feasible
From my perspective, high speed rail is very feasible for freight and transportation. Does it make sense to connect to every remote and mostly uninhabited region? Probably not.
We need to work on our communities
Hard yes. I just feel that it's very difficult to connect when you are so vastly disconnected in current cities.
and make cities safe for people to live in
We'll have to get very serious to tackle our pollution and polluting practices to do so. I think a large number of cities will have to naturally relocate/rebuild as the situation shifts in the coming decades and that is what I was attempting to touch on.
get rid of cars etc. spreading out isn’t the answer
I'm not explicitly arguing against centralization or arguing for dispersion into rural areas, and I do agree with you largely. I think accessible high speed rail is one way that we can get rid of cars and other vehicles.
I have been planning to homestead for close to 20 years, and just jumped into the lifestyle 2 months ago.
My wife and I are living in a tiny SUV with our cat. We have a fridge, twin bed, warm blankets, plenty of food and water. We have an outhouse tent for our business. It has a $4 bucket with a $15 toilet lid. I added a container and a funnel in there for liquids, and we use bags for the solids. Works for us.
We have explored the state and went to some really cool places, until we found land we purchased.
As soon as the septic is installed we can legally live in an RV, we can start a compost pile, start a garden, get chickens, and try being as self sufficient as we can.
I also want to make and design my own off grid things, for example making a wood gasifier. Then in an emergency we can run gas things from wood (generator, truck, tractor, etc).
I plan to share my experience on YouTube once we have an RV, hoping I can help people to live a more sustainable life.
If you haven't already you may wish to read The Humanure Handbook by Joe Jenkins. It outlines a practical diy composting toilet system that is low-odor and sanitary when maintained properly.
I have that book in storage, soon after septic is installed I plan to get my stuff here, need the tools to build.
We have been planning on a composting toilet in the house.
The septic will be used for the kitchen sink (it’s considered black water here) but everything else can be used for plants if we use safe soaps for the liquids and compost the solids long enough.
Thanks for sharing!