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Mass graves uncovered in Syria after Bashar al-Assad’s overthrow reveal evidence of systematic atrocities, with over 100,000 people tortured and killed in what a top war crimes prosecutor described as the worst abuses “since the Nazis.”

Assad’s regime operated a “machinery of death,” involving mass disappearances, torture, and secret burials.

Rebel forces freed thousands of political prisoners, but many remain missing.

International efforts aim to document war crimes, though Assad, now in Russia, is unlikely to face trial.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Since the Nazis? Cambodian genocide doesn't even get a look in, eh?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide

[–] [email protected] 16 points 18 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 31 minutes ago

Both things can be bad.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Have they been in a prison where they were regularly and systematically tortured, and that for decades, before they ended up in those bags?

Not even a fucking month has passed and people with .ml accounts are already trivialising Assad. Tankies gotta stick to their own, I guess.

[–] Doorbook 4 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I don't understand this comment but yes the Palestinian in Gaza were in a giant prison, they get restricted access to food, no freedom of movement, and when they try to peacefully leave got shot in the knees by sniper.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 41 minutes ago* (last edited 40 minutes ago)

You missed the industrial-scale torture part. There's been some instances of torture, yes, but nothing even close to what happened in Syria in matters of both scale and systematics. The IDF, at large, has always been more interested in killing people than pure, unadulterated, sadism.

You're rightfully enraged about the plight of the Palestinians, now don't turn around and deny the plight of Syrians by drawing false equivalences. If you want to draw an equivalence for the Syrian situation try North Korea.

[–] Doorbook 4 points 3 hours ago

And those who were in officially “Israeli” prisons, got raped according and torture.

[–] BeMoreCareful 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I really hope that there can be some sort of coalition for peace and recovery among the various Syrian forces now that Assad is out of power.

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (21 children)

Really? Nothing else since WWII has been this bad? I can think of three off the top of my head! Syria's neighbor is doing a holocaust right now. It's like they're pretending that nothing bad has happened since the Nazis were defeated.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 29 minutes ago

After thinking about it, I've realized why they always use Nazis as the measuring stick: it's the last event of this type that the majority of Americans are familiar with.

Which I think says quite a bit about the education level of our populace

[–] [email protected] 14 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

You’re angry about a headline that abbreviates the actual story.

The very first paragraph of the article:

Mass graves uncovered in Syria in the days since President Bashar al-Assad wasoverthrown are exposing evidence of some of the worst abuses since the Nazis, a top international war crimes prosecutor said. [emphasis mine]

The article agrees with you. It’s only the headline that doesn’t.

This kind of anger and engagement at headlines is exactly what the media thrives off of. Don’t let them win by doing just that.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 23 hours ago

The Cambodian Genocide

The Cambodian genocide was the systematic persecution and killing of Cambodian citizens by the Khmer Rouge under the leadership of Prime Minister of Democratic Kampuchea, Pol Pot. It resulted in the deaths of 1.5 to 2 million people from 1975 to 1979, nearly 25% of Cambodia's population in 1975 (c. 7.8 million) reducing the nation's life expectancy to a staggering 12 years in 1975.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's going to take some time (and digging) to find out.

However... events that unfolded in Cambodia will almost certainly have exceeded what is going to be discovered in Syria.

Most likely the same can be said about things that happened in Indonesia.

Events that continue to happen in North Korea may possibly exceed - once the place collapses and access becomes possible - which may take a century - what Bashar and his father managed to organize.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Israel hasn't killed over 100,000 yet. Gaza is a lot smaller than Syria or Europe.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

The official toll isn't over 100,000 (can't count people under the rubble) but estimates put it over 100,000 i.e. same order of magnitude. Gaza being smaller just makes these estimates even more horrifying.

But also, not just talking about Gaza. Lots of other atrocities have lead to mass death on this scale and larger.

[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 day ago (13 children)

There are 100.000 bodies in a single mass grave. And that is just one out of five. That's kinda in a league of its own.

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[–] RunawayFixer 51 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I agree with your point but I think the Palestinian genocide is a bad example. Imo better examples from the top of my mind: the Rwandan and Cambodian genocides likely were far worse both in absolute numbers and as a % of the population, and the policies of Maoist China got many more people killed.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I don't think we need to play Topp Trumps Genocide Edition. Can we just agree that it's horrific what Assad (and by extension, Putin) have been doing in Syria?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

You must not know what the definition of "worst" means.

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