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[–] [email protected] 11 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

Stark contrast to the reaction most people had to the invention of seatbelts in cars.

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[–] Vorticity 285 points 1 day ago (36 children)

It is amazing to me how short our memories are as a species. There are people who are still in congress who had polio. There are an estimated 300,000 people still alive in the US who survived polio. Even with that, the nominated head of Health and Human Services wants to do away with the polio vaccine.

I don't know what the problem is. Is it a lack of empathy? Is it willingness to swallow the bait surrounding conspiracy theories? Is it just a lack of education? How did we get to the point where it is even remotely okay for the future head of Heath and Human Services to be against the polio vaccine?

If being pro-polio isn't disqualifying for being the head of HHS, and if he gets confirmed, the U.S. will have very clearly shown that it is in rapid decline. It will have shown that the government is corrupt to its core and is irredeemable.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Is it a lack of empathy?

Yes, it's a disregard for human life

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[–] Fondots 32 points 22 hours ago

My dad remembers from his childhood occasionally seeing houses placed under quarantine for diseases like measles and then at some point thanks to vaccines measles pretty much just stopped being a thing in most of the US. He got his polio and smallpox vaccines back in the day, and has lived to see smallpox eradicated and polio nearly so.

My grandfather was born a couple years after the 1918 flu pandemic, he had a brother born a couple years before him who died in infancy, he never talked about it much but the timing lines up that his brother was likely a victim of that pandemic. It was certainly something he heard talked about in his childhood just as we'll probably keep talking about COVID for years to come, and I think it definitely left an impact on him, he always was wary about passing germs along to his grandchildren, he always warned our parents against kissing us and never did himself, the only time he did was on his literal deathbed (cancer, nothing communicable) when he kissed my sister (in a non-creepy familial way) as probably one of his last conscious acts.

He was never one to shy away from a fight, I would have loved to see the hell he would have raised against anti-maskers if he'd lived another decade or so. There are people his age or older still walking among us. These things aren't even out of living memory, we're barely a handful of generations removed from them.

The chickenpox vaccine was introduced when I was in elementary school. I remember a lot of children's shows when I was growing up having a chickenpox episode where one or more of the main characters would get chickenpox, they'd take oatmeal baths and slather on calamine lotion to ease the itching, their parents would discuss having their friends over to get them infected early and give them immunity, etc. It kind of seemed like it was inevitable that many if not most kids would get chickenpox eventually, and at the time it kind of was. The vaccine was still optional at the time, and I remember a lot of discussion about it not being very effective, but a lot of kids in my age range got it, and the number of kids in my school who got chickenpox was probably in the dozens instead of probably hundreds just a few years earlier.

There have been some missteps along the way, my dad had a small hepatitis scare when a blood test turned up antibodies (though no active infection) likely from exposure from reused vaccine needles when he was in the army. The US did a grave disserve to polio vaccination efforts by using them as a cover to track down bin Laden and increased distrust in the vaccine in the process. There have been cases where vaccines have used ingredients that have proven unsafe, where people have had adverse reactions, etc. but still overall, the fact that I have never met anyone who has had smallpox, polio, or measles and probably never will speaks volumes about how much more good than harm vaccines do when 100 years ago I would almost certainly have known people who had died or left disabled or disfigured by those diseases.

[–] rayyy 17 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

There are people who are still in congress who had polio.

Mitch McConnel.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Mitch has done nothing but enable the incoming administration, and helped to get it in power, so he has no leg to stand on now in all of his hand waving about the polio vaccine.

[–] leadore 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Mitch as the Repub leader could have prevented all of this, by voting and allowing other R senators to vote to convict in either the first impeachment or the second impeachment, which would have prevented Trump from being able to run again (and the trials against him would likely have been carried out by now). McConnell bears a huge amount of responsibility for where we are right now.

[–] Lost_My_Mind 45 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Even with that, the nominated head of Health and Human Services wants to do away with the polio vaccine.

.....I'm sorry, what?

GOD DAMMIT! GET LUIGI MORE BULLETS! THE JOB'S NOT DONE!!!

[–] MutilationWave 13 points 18 hours ago

Oh yeah we're so fucked. As well as believing that vaccines cause autism, RFK believes that HIV doesn't lead to AIDS. He literally believes that "something about the gay lifestyle" causes it.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If the polio vaccine happened today:

"Salk's Menace" Vaccine Spreads Fear

As the nation's newly adopted vaccine against poliomyelitis, the inactivated poliovirus (IPV) shot, began to circulate, reports of its alleged dangers were already being touted by concerned citizens.

"This is just another example of Big Pharma trying to control our bodies," declared Agnes Johnson, a local mother of five, who claimed she had "lived" with the symptoms of the vaccine. "I've been hearing stories from friends and family of children who suffered from 'long-term' effects" from receiving the shot.

At a recent public health meeting in Brooklyn, Dr. John Smith, a prominent anti-vaxxer, presented his research on what he called "the true story" behind the IPV. He alleged that Salk had "tainted" the vaccine with experimental ingredients, and that the vaccine was being aggressively pushed by government agencies to cover up its supposedly disastrous effects.

"I've seen patients come in with symptoms that were clearly caused by the 'new' shot," Dr. Smith said, his voice filled with conviction. "We're being told it's just a minor risk, but I'm telling you, this is not safe."

As the vaccine continued to gain acceptance across the country, another vocal critic, Rev. John Williams, took to the pulpit to warn of the alleged dangers of mass vaccination. "We are being herded onto the 'tragedy' of the Salk shot," he declared to a packed church. "We must stand up against this medical monolith and reject the experimental treatments."

Meanwhile, health officials were left scrambling to address the growing public outcry, as reported cases of vaccine-induced illness began to rise. As the nation's top medical leaders struggled to counter the growing misinformation, Dr. Salk himself was quick to respond. "The science is on our side," he said in a recent press conference. "We are confident that our vaccine will do more good than harm."

Despite this reassurance, anti-vaxxers remained resolute in their claims of a government-led conspiracy, citing the supposedly "mysterious" circumstances surrounding the vaccine's development and distribution.

As the debate over the new vaccine continues to rage, one thing is certain: the battle over public health will not be won by the voices of reason, but by the loudest and most fervent of critics. The true story of Salk's menance is just beginning to emerge – stay tuned for further updates.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 18 hours ago

Can anyone find independent reports of this massive celebration for the announcement of the results of the Francis Field Trial in 1955?

Edit: Found a Wiki summary

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 day ago (8 children)

RFK and conspiracy thinking right alongside Luigi are ALL symptoms indicating the same problem: a health care system that enriches CEOs at the bankruptcy and death of the masses.

At base it’s like the Hepatitis C cure when it rolled out. A $ amount is put on this cure, only X number of people get it each month, up to a certain $ amount across all claimants, and the rest are SOL. Healthcare itself is like that. We did 18 NICU babies already this month, or we did 32 cardiac cath procedures this month, time to delay, deny, defend.

Wouldn’t it be cool if you could figure a way around needing that healthcare? If you could do 6 simple steps that are entirely under your own power, cheaply or for free, and fix your health on your own? What a dream that would be. This need for health independence is as predictable as a Luigi.

RFK is like a cherry on the shit sundae of our present system. He’s symbolic of the need for something other that we can maybe have more control over. Unfortunately, drinking raw milk has a higher potential of adding more problems.

[–] MutilationWave 13 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

drinking raw milk

will be the least of our problems from RFK. He killed more than 20 children in Samoa with his smallpox vaccine denial.

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[–] ghterve 5 points 16 hours ago

I kinda suspect that shared joy might repeat if a cancer vaccine was revealed.

We didn't collectively suffer long enough from COVID for its vaccine to be universally embraced...

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