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The allergy, called alpha-gal syndrome, came to light a little over a decade ago.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Interesting read. A few years ago I developed, seemingly overnight, an intolerance for red meat. Which sucked cause I really like it. But I developed it while working in the arctic, where there are no ticks (but like trillions of other biting insects). Doctors just did the usual rotation of antibiotics and then said IBS and patted themselves on the back. It was a terrible cop-out, but when living in the arctic you don't get much choice for doctors. Over time the problem largely tapered off and I'm no longer a firehose an hour after eating meat. I feel for anyone who gets this.

I'm hoping that AI really helps within the field of medicine. Doctors cannot be expected to know every possible cause of every illness -- they're human after all. But I'm hoping that the weird stuff can be detected and at least diagnosed properly.

I'm so mad at Elizabeth Holmes. Any startup in this space will face such an uphill battle.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

you should see what the eczema community put up with. Essentially it’s a community of just talking each other out of committing suicide because of how much pain they live with every day and the entire medical industry has failed them so miserably by dismissing them.

“Try the elimination diet” is the best they are given with absolutely no “why” or extension to find a better solution to allergies than either avoid the triggers (if you’re even lucky enough to find out what they are) or try a life threatening injection if your allergy gets severe.

Then you have the celiac community and what they have to put up with doctors: “eat gluten for 3 weeks without killing yourself so I can diagnose that you actually are intolerant to gluten”. The community has lovingly referred to this now as “the gluten challenge”….. which the medical community went as far as to take offence to the name. I wish empathy was taught as part of the curriculum for being a doctor.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I work in drug development, and have done a lot of work in topical drug development, specifically for skin diseases. Psoriasis gets most of the attention, but there's a lot of work being done on other skin diseases, as well

"Eczema" is kind of a catch-all term for a group of diseases, which is one of the reasons treatment is so difficult. One kind is often mistaken for (or even indistinguishable from) another. The most common, though, is atopic dermatitis (which is hilarious when you look up the etymology).

So that said.... Have you tried JAK inhibitors? Ruxolitinib is one of the best ones, formulated as a cream called Opzelura. It's at least good for flare ups.

Unfortunately, there aren't really any good drugs for preventing it. If you want company on that one, talk to the asthma community.

But.... There is work being done. I've worked on it. I've had companies spend millions on the work. I haven't seen anything very promising, but maybe you can take some comfort that there are frustrated scientists working on it, and pharma companies poised to take all of your money once something is found.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I had mysterious rash outbreaks for half a year... I shudder to imagine a lifetime of something worse.

[–] over_clox 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I feel for you and anyone suffering with a meat allergy, but I dunno how much I'd trust AI for any serious purposes after seeing the garbage it can spit out.

Seriously, I've managed to get AI to write me instructions on how to inflate a phone and how to shave alligator hair. Rather that say "I'm sorry, that doesn't make any sense, but here are some related topics", instead it literally wrote out actual instructions for that nonsense LOL!

So yeah, I have no reason to trust AI for anything serious, it's about an ignorant joke of a language model is all it really adds up to.

[–] Empyreus 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's specifically for a LLM which would probably not be the best AI base for medical uses.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

People still don't understand that AI is an all encompassing term like "tool" and not a single thing.

Just like we use thousands of vastly different and specialized tools, in a decade we'll be surrounded by medical AI, engineering AI, accounting AI, design AI, research AI, life coaching AI, etc.

Right now we have a few LLMs and generative AIs, but that's like having a pen and a spray gun.
Of course you wouldn't ask any of them for a medical diagnosis.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In a use case like this, AI would be less about a final diagnose and more about getting the doctor or patient pointed in the right direction, especially with rare cases that few doctors are aware of. You no longer need to visit a hundred specialists in the hope of finding the one person who's seen something similar to your case before.

[–] ThePantser 4 points 1 year ago

Agree in this case AI is just WebMD symptom checker but with the ability to take in infinite data points and narrow it down with prompting questions and hopefully being able to upload images for further diagnosis.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'm not talking about a language model AI. But rather something like the stuff the insurance companies are using to assess risk -- they take a lot of data in and cluster them together. Humans are sometimes really bad at recognizing patterns if you don't have enough data. A pattern that goes: "oh, all these people in this region with this specific digestive problem spatially maps to this insect" is the sort of thing ML should be good at. But where it will be really good is in turning proteins into diagnosis: "if this protein is detected in the blood in an general scan, combined with symptoms, then diagnose X" -- right now you only get tested for the things the doctor orders. Even more promising yet: with enough data, the AI should figure out which proteins actually do specific functions in the body, which will advance the research side (see, for example, Alphafold).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pattern recognition is something modern techniques are very good at.

ChatGPT isn't that. It also isn't intelligent and doesn't know anything. It's basically a jacked up parrot blindly throwing words together.

[–] over_clox 2 points 1 year ago

Pattern recognition is only worthwhile when it isn't based on some randomized neural network.

Speaking from experience, I've written my own AI like software that actually has a known null state and well defined training process.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

In this application, AI would really just be a fancy search engine the doctor can use to look for things he doesn't already know about.

[–] dooger_chogany 14 points 1 year ago

They’re just saving the earth from meat-induced CO2 emissions. One bite at a time.

[–] Zoldyck 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a secret plot by vegans. /s

[–] Taiatari 3 points 1 year ago
[–] himbocat 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If you go camping frequently you’ve probably noticed that more people are going outside than ever before.

Among newer hikers and campers I’ve noticed that insect repellent just gets treated like sunscreen: people kind of ignore it or spray it on the obvious spots and don’t bother with the rest.

Also, don’t even get me started on those “all natural” insect repellents.

It’s really just education. No one takes it seriously.

[–] stealthnerd 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree about the all natural repelants. Deet is the only product that's been proven to be effective but even that is far from 100%. Not that I'm advising against using repellent but I don't think you can count on it.

For ticks you're better protected wearing long pants, sleeves and a hat when moving through wooded areas, brush, or tall grass but good luck convincing people to do that.

[–] clegko 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't picaridin also shown to be effective? Or is that only against mosquitos and not ticks?

[–] stealthnerd 1 points 1 year ago

This is the first time I've ever heard of it to be honest but it sounds awesome. I'll definitely be trying it out.

[–] TheGiantKorean 6 points 1 year ago

My father had this. There were a lot of things that he had to be careful about eating. Lots of products that you wouldn't think would have animal ingredients in them set him off.

[–] Wooly 5 points 1 year ago

Obviously big vegan has injected ticks with it and then released them into the population. It's all a ploy to get us to stop eating meat. We must resist and eat all the meat we can, while we can.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Lone Star tick borne disease, geographical map of case data included in the article. Ars reporting is solid and just detailed enough, IMO.

[–] thessnake03 5 points 1 year ago

Went to a farmers market in rural Missouri and heard about this from a chicken farmer. His business is up because of that

[–] iquanyin 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

in the dark? about a cure or the mechanism, you mean? it’s been known for awhile that it can happen.

[–] CylonBunny 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both. We know that is happens, but we don’t know why and we do t know how to treat it.

[–] iquanyin 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Not to belittle anyone who unfortunately had been afflicted by this... But, almost like nature is trying to reduce our Agri meat demand.

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