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[–] [email protected] 14 points 14 hours ago

We can't let the commoners or poor people afford apple, we are way too snooty and elitist to allow such drivel. We require hundreds of billions of dollars to afford our overly excessive lifestyles.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 15 hours ago

Isn't this what the capitalist system is based on? If you can't compete .... you fail and no one cares because someone else who is more capable steps in to fill the void. Apple isn't special, it's just another business and investors will move to make their money elsewhere.

[–] Alphane_Moon 9 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I love how that Apple executives are portrayed as “detesting” the notion of a price competition.

It makes sense from a margins perspective and from a brand power perspective (people seeing the Apple brand as intro status symbol of sorts), just funny to see alleged capitalists being so repulsed by price competition.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Price competitiveness leads to race to the bottom. Outside of the 90s Apple whole brand has been the exact opposite of race to the bottom. Plus making a cheaper "good enough" device makes it much harder to justify also having the more expensive and profitable device.

[–] Alphane_Moon 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Price competitiveness leads to race to the bottom. Outside of the 90s Apple whole brand has been the exact opposite of race to the bottom. Plus making a cheaper “good enough” device makes it much harder to justify also having the more expensive and profitable device.

But isn't that the core of free market thought (the more conceptual variant, not the polemical variant). Thousands of companies fighting for every last minuscule hundredth of a percentage point of margin. Optimal intersection of supply and demand requiring both multiple competing producers and of course hundreds of millions of consumers.

My comment was somewhat glib, I admit. But I do think the framing in the article is interesting.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

You can compete on more than just price. Apple focuses on quality and design. They also need to worry about running afoul of antitrust law. It's better to have 50% of the phone market with high margins and no antitrust trouble than to try to capture more of the market with a cheaper device.

[–] Alphane_Moon 4 points 12 hours ago

This was just a glib, off-hand remark on my part.

Corporate PR copytext (not only Apple) often includes lyrical polemical poetry about power of markets and so on (like how requiring USB-C charging is an attempt to subvert innovation).

And then you have price competition - arguably a fundamental element of markets.

So in my mind, I imagined the Apple executives speaking to each other in a overly posh Victorian accent:

What is this foul marxist-leninist price competition these smelly plebs are demanding? Since when did they decide they have a right to speak?

Nothing more and nothing less. 😆

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

They don't focus on quality that can be easily proved by multiple years of shipping devices with faulty keyboards for example. They have an image of focusing on quality and whatever.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago

I can think of like 4 examples of Apple creating an economy product in the last decade. The cult will provide more than enough money to keep Apple afloat, no matter the state of the world or Apple. Or Apple can simply cease selling all products and rely entirely on its coffers for the next full year to reprioritize. I’m sure they’ll find a way to survive.