I think it’s a bit ironic that Wikipedia hasn’t succumbed to the modern era of misinformation the way other information sources have, particularly given the warnings about it that have been given in the past. Not saying those warnings aren’t warranted, just that the way things have played out is counter to said expectations.
this post was submitted on 23 Nov 2024
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There's an obvious reason for that. Wikipedia is owned by a nonprofit foundation and does not accept advertising.
It definitely has, just not to as large a scale.
In practice it’s ran like a heirarchical aristocracy, where a admins control articles they care about and are very picky about the changes they allow.
One article about an illness contains false information related to alternative medicine “treatments” and I edited it, this was removed by the person who made most of the page. I got into an argument with them, and turns out they have the same username and come from the same country as an account on other platforms selling alternative medicine products, which are subtly advertised on the page they control. They also are a wikipedia admin.
Anyways I reported this to the admin team, and my report was immediately deleted by the admin I was reporting, and I got a three year ban. Mind you I have over a thousand wikipedia edits and have made some big contributions so this was quite annoying.
And this is far from the only incident. The people who are most likely to edit wikipedia pages are those who really care about, or could really benefit from the topic. So you end up having situations where companies hire agencies to improve their image by changing the wikipedia article about them and their products, same thing for celebrities.
Interesting anecdote. Though to judge by your username, it seems you may have an agenda yourself.
So you end up having situations where companies hire agencies to improve their image by changing the wikipedia article about them and their products, same thing for celebrities
This is a major problem that takes up a lot of time for the editors. It explains some of their trigger-happiness.
That said, you have a valid point. I once tried to water down what I considered to be excessively POV language in an article about diet. This earned me an official warning for "extremism" or "conspiracism" or whatever. My impressive account pedigree also counted for nothing. So there's definitely a bit of the political bias, the power-tripping and gatekeeping that you see in any online community. But it's a bit of a conundrum too, because they are fighting an uphill battle against people with strong incentives and sometimes money too.
Interesting anecdote. Though to judge by your username, it seems you may have an agenda yourself.
This wasn’t the ME/CFS article (the illness I am personally disabled by) and anyways all this happened before I became disabled.
Anyways my ban is over now, but I can’t get myself to edit wikipedia anymore. It was a pretty shitty experience and I don’t wanna go back.
And it wasn’t the only one. So much NPOV-violating stuff on most the fringe articles and whenever you edit to make more neutral tone or you remove something unsupported by citations you end up in an insufferable straw man argument chain on the talk page.
The main fun part is filling out abandoned articles and making new articles yourself. But anything showing problems in other people’s work becomes really tiring really quick with all the talk page nonsense and endless reverts.
What's a shame. No way to report him higher in hierarchy?
There is people who watch most popular articles,its not rlly misinformation.
And they are just as fragile.
Let's help PeerTube replace YouTube.
You can’t rely on YouTube videos staying up over time.
Better download what you want might want to look up again
Can't count on the library of Alexandria staying up over time either
I think we also overestimate the valve if what would have been at Alexandria.
Considering everything would have been hand copied/transcribed back then, and his expensive that would have been, the selection bias would be massive.
I doubt it could compare to Wikipedia.
I would add Project Gutenberg and Open Street Map to your list.
I wish that the Internet Archive would focus on allowing the public to store data. Distribute the network over the world.
In theory this could be true. In practice, data would be ripe for poisoning. It's like the idea of turning every router into a last mile CDN with a 20TB hard drive.
Then you have to think about security and not letting the data change from what was originally given. Idk. I'm sure something is possible, but without a real 'omph' nothing big happens.
The data would be hashed so any changes would be thrown out.
Hashed by whom? Who has the source of truth for the hashes? How would you prevent it from being poisoned? .. or are you saying a non-distributed (centralized) hash store?
If centralized: you have a similar problem to IA today. If not centralized: How would you prevent poisoning? If enough distributed nodes say different things, the truth can be lost.
This is a topic that is pretty well tested. Basically the data is validated when received.
For instance in IPFS data is tracked by its hash. You request something by a CID which is just a hash.
There are other distributed networks and they all have there own ways of protecting against attacks. Usually an attack requires a huge amount of resources.
Even in ipfs, I don't understand discoverability. Sort of sounds like it still needs a centralized list of metadata to content I'd, etc.
Nah, that's the easy part. Checksum technology has been around for many decades
Blockchain? Prolly not a perfect solution by far, but
Huh? The public can store data on IA just fine. I've uploaded dozens of public-domain books there.
But all the data is on IA's servers. In the event their servers go down for good, that's it. There's no way to self host parts of the Archive fediverse style.
That's true, but organising and managing such a distributed form of IA would probably be a nightmare of a job. I've seen many people suggest that to IA, but they seem to be very very reluctant about the idea.
Distributed systems have come a long way. It would be possible
Z-library
Is it still around? I though they were arrested by Interpol
Yeah it’s got loads of domains. It’s never been gone.
Then who is behind it? The original people are in prison
Keep in mind it could be a honey pot. When using Tor make sure you turn off JavaScript.
It’s not like other services. Books are only a couple mb so it’s really easy to reupload the entire website.
Check out the piracy lemmy community megathread.
If we're going to stick to ancient Greek references, one of these is closer to the modern day Augean stables.
AnnasArchive.org is good at backing up knowledge on a large scale. They also have torrents to spread it around a bit.
One of them isn't like the others.
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