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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It’s so annoying because there has been a small but noticeable rise in anti-semetism, which can probably be explained by the fact Israel is literally commiting human rights abuses which border on the definition of genocide, in fact, they probably fit it.

But instead of focusing on the genocide, and on the small increase in actual anti-semetism, these people are somehow focusing on the anti-zionism (which is completely justified in the current situation) and conflating it with anti-semetism.

It’s not anti-semetic to think we should grant palestinian statehood, ideally giving the whole of Jerusalem back to Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Israel is literally commiting human rights abuses which border on the definition of genocide, in fact, they probably fit it.

There's nothing "probably" about it. Even the UN says it is genocide.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you have a source for the UN saying it? I'm not doubting your comment, I'd just like to read more about it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A UN special committee says Israel's behavior is "consistent with characteristics of genocide". Which is a little bit removed from an actual accusation of committing genocide.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Has there been a ruling, as far as I know it’s currently alleged. From the evidence it seems pretty likely, but it would be wrong to say anything has been concluded.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It is a convenient cover to deflect them blame of antisemitism, which is an European invention and concept for the most part, as well as it is alive and well in "white" Europeans.

By shifting the blame to Arab and other immigrants and anti-imperialist leftists this serves to further the rise of the far right, while downplaying their antisemitism.

A Jewish professor who opposes the recent "anti-antisemitism" resolution in Germany put it very well. He noted that the resolution does not refer to the most obvious antisemitic crime in Germany of the past years. An attempted massacre at a Synagogue in Halle by a Neo-Nazi. Instead it mentions the least clear "antisemitic" event, the description of Israel as an apartheid state, by the Israeli and Palestinian directors of the documentary "No Other Land" at the Berlinale 2023.

So literal Neo-Nazis trying to slaughter Jews seems to not be relevant to mention for the German lawmakers as antisemitism, while calling Israel an apartheid state apparently is an attack on all Jews for these lawmakers. Jews are once again used as a bargaining chip for nationalist politics.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Agreed mostly, but I think you’re going much too far by saying anti-semetism is non-existent in non-european places.

There are countless historical examples proving otherwise, that don’t conflate anti-zionism and anti-semitism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

It definetely exists and existed outside of Europe but it is predominantlz an European concept. Especiallz the genocidal antisemitism, brought to the extreme by nazi Germany with collaborateurs all over Europe, already has its root at least in the times of the crusades. Pogroms were coined as a term in Eastern Europe as they became more popular their. The whole "race theory" nonsense to somehow make racism "scientific" also included concepts of what would be physical traits of Jews and the British Lord Balfour supported Zionism to get rid of British Jews he deemed "not able to integrate"

The last point deserves special attention imo. as it shows how the way Jews were perceived in the 19th and 20th century are now transferred to how Muslims are perceived.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wtf is a white European?

Can we please leave the USA kind of racism inside of the USA.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Well there is plenty who do not consider people living here as Europeans, even if their families are in Europe since 2, 3 or more generations. So tye ones who think in these terms are the "white" Europeans trying to shift the blame for their antisemitism away to immigrants.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

French Europe minister Benjamin Haddad said he organised the gathering in Brussels with his Dutch counterpart to tackle a resurgence in anti-Semitic violence since the start of the war in Gaza.

"I wanted us to have... a frank conversation about the causes of the rise in antisemitism and the best ways to address it and really make it a priority for the European institutions," Haddad told French news agency AFP.

Its a mystery for everyone...

Dutch officials said Israeli fans were targeted in "hit-and-run" attacks by men on scooters on 7 November, after a Europa League match between Maccabi Tel Aviv and local team Ajax.

Tensions were high before the match after Israeli fans chanted anti-Arab slogans, vandalised a taxi and burnt a Palestinian flag in Amsterdam's main square, according to police reports.

Speaking after the talks, Haddad said however that Europe was witnessing "one of the worst outbreaks of antisemitism" since World War II.

Ah yes, let those zionist do whatever the fuck they want and then pull the anti-semitism card when People react to those acts of violence.

Seems a bit lob-sided, no?

"When we talk about anti-Semitism, it is not just the defence of European Jewish communities that is at stake, it is the preservation... of our fundamental values," he said.

Yeah how about we stop bowing to Netanyahus tendencies for once?

And I really get riled up when they throw anti-semitism (which is always bad) with anti-zionism (justified since the ongoing Genocide) into the same pot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Are they differentiating between anti-Semitism and anti-zionism?