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submitted 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) by [email protected] to c/politicalmemes
 

i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (7 children)

Real Talk, I'm getting real tired of everyone from the vaguely right of center to the farthest reaches of the left getting involved in this shit slinging blame game.

I legit don't care anymore who you voted for (edit: so long as it wasn't Trump I mean. But even then, time to start your redemption arc if you did). We are past the election and now all share the same immediate issues.

Folks who abstained from voting (or voted 3rd party) because you couldn't stomach the lesser of two evils, good news, that choice is gone. You can stop parroting the idea that anyone who voted Blue did so "in support of genocide". It should be clear by now those who voted Blue really were just doing their best in a bad situation, they are not your enemies.

Folks who voted Blue because you believe supporting the lesser evil is in service of the greater good. Good news, that burden is also gone. You can stop parroting the idea that someone who can't stomach voting for people who would play politics with genocide is really just a tankie or a bot. Not every one is willing to play game theory with people's lives, that doesn't mean they are your enemies.

Anyone who truly wants to push for solidarity and human rights for all is an ally of mine. And I propose we bury the hatchet, preferably in the objectives of fascists, before its too late.

[–] lurklurk 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

On this platform specifically we've had months of smug people claiming to make the moral choice of directly or indirectly supporting the clearly worse choice. It's far too early to just let that slide.

If we in 100 years still sometimes talk about the early days of the fediverse where a bunch of morons fell for astroturfing, that's kind of a good outcome.

If they're real people they should feel bad.

For the not so real people, we should figure out how a distibuted system can deal with a concerted astroturfing operation.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

They're easy targets. Blame the abstainers and third party voters and you don't have to confront the legitimate failures of your party and campaign.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] Dead_or_Alive 13 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

I think it is important to point out the failings of others. Otherwise they may not connect the dots and learn from their mistakes.

Sometimes a mistake is innocent, say you forgot to zip up your fly. It’s important to know you forgot to do so as it could be very socially embarrassing.

Sometimes one could accidentally cut someone off in traffic because they didn’t see them. A good honk notifies them of their mistake and will hopefully drive home the fact that they probably need to pay better attention to traffic.

Pointing out that abstaining and or choosing not to vote enabled the election of the greater of two evils is equally important.

Rock on OP. Never let them forget!

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Dems failed and people who abhor genocide unfortunately had little to do with it, though listening to Lemmy libs you'd think they personally destroyed her campaign

[–] Jiggle_Physics 12 points 10 hours ago (14 children)

I have been seeing this online, leftist, superposition where people not voting Democrat, to protest the genocide, are not a significant enough portion of the vote, to have tanked the election for the DNC, and that enough of the 15 million who sat out clearly did so due to the genocide, to make them lose. I have seen it argued both ways from a number of the same people, in different threads, when the messaging behind either, works in their favor. No these people are not russian bots, they have been around lemmy, doing normal poster stuff, for a while now. They just want to not take any blame, and also claim their issue was far more universally important than it was.

"My vote for Jill Stein/My non vote for protest/etc. isn't what killed her chance, it was people being mad about other things the DNC didn't do well!" Then, on another post, seeing the same user name, "15 million people wouldn't have sat out had they stopped supporting Israel!"

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[–] lennybird 42 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

They voted for a worse genocide.

In 2 different places no less and possibly more.

They just don't know it yet.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Last I checked Trump lost 3 million voters since last election, and Harris lost 10 million.

The couch won. It's not like people were suddenly won over by a person they've likely seen through 3 election cycles.

[–] lurklurk 3 points 6 hours ago

Right, which is why people are angry at the people who couldn't even go vote for Harris

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[–] Alwaysnownevernotme 102 points 14 hours ago (41 children)

There sure are a lot of people trying to blame the left because their strategy of appealing to the middle failed.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Well yeah, otherwise they’d have to consider actually changing their shit strategy

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 hours ago

Even after all this the DNC are already bowing down to the fascist position because they lost because they were “too woke”.

This is when the democrats were already running a far right platform of “we want to fund the police, not defund them”, following Trump’s border policy, “most lethal army”, “Israel must expand its borders”, “I’ll have a Republican in my cabinet”. And they weren’t “woke” at all. Kamala threw trans people in the trash saying “we’ll follow the law” when it comes to trans issues. It was the Republicans who were running hundreds of millions of dollars worth of attack ads on trans people and democrats weren’t saying shit.

The DNC have once again failed to learn and are looking for a “centrist” chair, doing exactly the same thing of shutting down leftist voices and trying to appeal to and compromise with the fascists instead of listening to people like Bernie and AOC.

You’d think after they utterly failed and managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and get an out and proud fascist elected they would finally learn that they need to address the real issues that affect all working class people.

The ratchet effect is real.

The Republican critique of the democrats is kind of right in a way in that they are just the same rich people not doing anything about the cost of living and only using identity politics to “virtue signal”. They’re right wingers with rainbow flags. That doesn’t do much for oppressed minorities except make us the target of attacks. What would benefit queer and other oppressed minorities more is build a society in which we can afford homes to live in, food to eat, access to healthcare. But they want to make it all about pronouns because that is easy for them to look like they’re someone “on the left”, when economically they’re not on the left at all.

There’s really no hope with the DNC. We just need to organize in our own communities because the democrats certainly aren’t coming to save anyone.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The Democratic party or a campaign can't fail, they can only be failed, right OP?

[–] lurklurk 3 points 6 hours ago

Two things can be bad.

The Democrats clearly didn't figure out how to win in the reality we have, with the voters we have. They should definitely figure out what they could have done better.

The people who didn't vote for Harris deserve all shame they can get. It was not a hard choice. It shouldn't have been even close.

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