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[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 hours ago

If you find like paying for service don’t go out. This is the way that it is and these are likely the guests that then get on Yelp and complain…about service. You can adjust minimum wage all you want but professional waitstaff aren’t going to pander to the wealthy for minimum wage. Minimum wage service sucks as it should, you get what you pay for; minimum wage, minimum effort. If you don’t like the system, change it, don’t victimize your fellow workers. They accepted the job under this current system. I’m in that system and am working to change it but until then if you don’t tip due to your high moral standards YTA. And it’s not because USians are stoopid (we are), it’s just the ingrained culture. Under capitalism the guest will be paying this money regardless. Much like this fauxmockracy, your choice is an illusion…

[–] Stern 31 points 8 hours ago

Makes me glad I live in a state that got rid of the tipped minimun and just has one across the board minimum wage.

[–] [email protected] 188 points 10 hours ago (13 children)

Who's the cheap one in this equation?

.... the customer who is paying the owner of the restaurant for the food AND is obligated by social convention to pay extra to the waiter who is underpaid.

or

... the restaurant owner who doesn't mind living in a world where we have normalized underpaying restaurant workers to the point where we pass down that responsibility to the customer who is already paying for the food.

Pay your workers a proper wage and get rid of the idea of tipping.

[–] RedditWanderer 45 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

Don't like tipping? Protest the policies by not going to restaurants, dont shove it on the workers who are stuck in the system.

The owner is 100% happy you came to pay him and not the waiter he didnt wanna pay anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 10 hours ago

Tipping is fine, but as in "keep the change", not "we need to change this tipping culture"

[–] danc4498 -3 points 3 hours ago (6 children)

Here’s the equation. Restaurants keep food costs low by paying servers next to nothing. If they paid them what they deserve, the cost of your meal would increase.

So by not tipping, you are benefiting from the low cost of food while screwing over the person that has no control over the situation. YTA

If you don’t want to tip, don’t go to a restaurant that has servers.

Now, other places that actually pay a living wage and also have a tip button (ie concession stands at a sporting event) can get fucked.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

So by not tipping, you are benefiting from the low cost of food while screwing over the person that has no control over the situation. YTA

Customers aren't the assholes for the failures of the restaurant industry, just as customers aren't the assholes for the refusal of the federal government to ensure restaurant workers are paid a living wage.

Customers who don't tip are not the enemy.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 hours ago (15 children)

Tipping is bullshit. Restaurants should pay their workers properly. But I’m not gonna punish the server for that. She has zero control over that.

If I can’t afford to tip then I just don’t go to the restaurant. People would prefer to make up excuses for why they don’t wanna tip and how that doesn’t make them an asshole while taking huge huffs of their own farts. If you don’t like the tipping culture just go to a fast food restaurant or make your own food. Why is everybody such whiney bitches about everything?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Drag never tips while eating out.

Drag also lives in a country with a livable minimum wage and no tipping culture.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Can you just not tip? We live in a tipping society too, but tipping is just goodwill. Like if your waiter is really nice, and the whole thing was 115 dollars, you might give him 120 and he can keep the difference. Sometimes just a roundup, fromm 5.60 to 6 bucks or something. But it's not expected.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

So you hate the tipping culture but also hate people who want it abolished. That's just beyond stupid.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago

I HATE EVERYONE

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

No, I hate the people who say they want it abolished and use that as an excuse to not pay their waiters. I made it plainly clear in my explanation, I honestly don’t know how to dumb it down for you anymore man.

[–] kautau 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Lol yeah the "I went to the restaurant but didn't tip to teach everyone a lesson" is the same as "I voted for the third party to teach everyone a lesson."

No, you gave the restaurant owner their profit and the employee nothing. You helped no one, you taught no lessons, and if we could harness your mental gymnastics as physical gymnastics we would have infinite renewable energy.

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[–] RedditWanderer 0 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Like not tipping is going to abolish anything. You walk in, pay the owner and leave the worker hanging. Why would the owner care?

It's not like all the waiters can stay home waiting for something to change, people gotta live. Stop going to restaurants if you don't want to tip

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Why do you hate me for not wanting to tip, and not the employer who does not want to pay a living wage to it's worker because the law does not oblige him to.

Why do you blame me and not the government who regulated the law to allow rich people to become more rich by having part of their salary expenses covered by the public?

This is a perfect example of privatizing the profits and socializing the losses

[–] RedditWanderer -4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

This makes 0 sense and isn't worth replying to. It's not really your fault though,, your education system failed you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You really showed me now, huh? Shame, I actually really thought you were the kind of person to clash viewpoints with and come out with something constructive after.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Nah, Redditwanderer is right. You’re pants shittingly stupid.

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[–] Sarmyth 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

To be fair, that's not the actual alternative for the waiter. The waiter either accepts their income as it is with some people not providing a tip, or they can opt for other employment like the rest of the workforce that isn't tipped. They don't have to sit at home waiting for things to change like helpless puppies.

I'm in California though so we don't have any of that wage fuckery where they can be paid less than minimum wage if tips make up a significant portion of their income. It's $17.55 hour minimum plus tips where I'm at.

I'd really rather see tipping outlawed along with all other obscured fees and just pay what you need to pay to have waiters and charge what you need to charge to have a business transparently printed on the menu.

[–] RedditWanderer -1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Ahh yes other employment! How come nobody ever thought of that... Just get another job of course. Taxi driver don't like their wage? Why dont they change jobs. Improper ppe? Just quit. Minimum wage at mcdonalds not livable? Change jobs bro. Bad / dangerous working conditions? You know it... Change jobs! Why do we even bother with oversight like OSHA when all construction workers need is to change jobs when things arent properly done. Contractors will figure it out eventually! California should do away with their pesky wage rules,"to be fair" they aren't necessary, workers won't be sitting at home waiting for it.

It's so ridiculous of an answer ill go back to arguing with those who think they shouldn't tip. We'd all prefer to see it outlawed.

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[–] hOrni 18 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Reminds me of that episode of Scrubs, where Dr Cox was going around with a tip jar, because if a guy pouring coffee gets a tip, he should get one from the people whose lives he saved.

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[–] dariusj18 13 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Except the food cost is only a small part of what we are paying for at a restaurant. What we are paying for is the worker's time and skills. We could, mostly, eat the same ingredients at home for much cheaper.

A lot of the other costs are small and make profit in scale.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I love that scene, you have a table of vicious killers and sociopaths, and even they're disgusted at the idea of someone not tipping.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

never mess with the people who handle your food.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

you don't tip because your cheap

I don't tip because I never go anywhere

we are not the same

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