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FIRE (Financial Independence Retire Early)

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Hi all, I see lots of subscribers in this community. What stage of FIRE are you guys in? curious about the demographic in here.

  • Neither FI nor RE
  • FI but not RE
  • FIRE'd
  • ?

I am in the first category, working towards FI for seven years now and recently reached 100K NW. Unfortunately I live in very HCOL area so I still have long ways to go 🥲

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You missed Coast/Barista in your hierarchy

Financial position Not retired Semi-retired Retired
Pre FIRE x - -
Coast x x -
Barista x x -
FI x x x

The difference between Coast and Barista is whether your non-investment income fully covers expenses. To Barista FIRE you must have a bit more invested to support some level of draw-down

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

thank you, I was not sure about the detailed hierarchy. So Coast is working with regular full time instead of part time? That seems like what most people would prefer by continuing their current jobs... rather than quitting it to have a more labor intensive part time job.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Coast is working enough that you don't have to touch your investments (whether working full or part time, so you can be semi-retired)

Barista is working full or part time in something that doesn't pay enough to cover your day to day expenses, but it's ok because you have enough capital to draw on your investments without compromising your retirement goals

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Neither. But I can at least see the finish line.

I'm at the point where my milestones are kinda fun. Instead of just X saved, it's:

  • can retire by w/o further investment - currently this is well before "normal" retirement age
  • can pay off all mortgage if I sell retirement assets
  • can retire in X county - every year that country gets more and more attractive

I'm hoping to reach FI in ~10 years.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Neither FI nor RE yet.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Neither FI nor RE. About 10-15 more years to go assuming a conservative (steady and realistic) timeline. Optimistically around 7 if the stars align and a few previous stock option gambles pop, but i treat those as pricey lottery tickets at best in today's environment.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

wow so you're more than half way there, nice. I do similarly have a few fun tech stocks but they fluctuate like extreme rollercoasters haha.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

We're blessed for sure, to borrow the phrase. Right now everything is essentially on coast for the next few years to build momentum, but I still can't help but obsessively check the sheets and numbers constantly

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Started only 2 years ago, so have some ways to go.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] FancyPantsFIRE 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should’ve gone with a lower withdrawal rate. 😞

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But they said it was safe...

[–] FancyPantsFIRE 2 points 1 year ago

You will safely burn through all your money with a 15% withdrawal rate.

[–] FancyPantsFIRE 5 points 1 year ago

I’d say FI but not RE. We’ve got enough money saved up where if you squint the numbers kinda maybe work. In practice it’s unlikely I pull the trigger for another few years.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I am neither FI nor RE - with about 3 years of expenses saved up at the moment.

Despite not having enough to be FI, I really like having such a decent chunk of savings available in case things go wrong, and it's nice to fantasise about quitting my job and having a few years off when things get tough at work!

My calculations currently say retirement is 17 years away, however, my lifestyle is inflating in front of my eyes, so it could well be much longer :)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Neither FI or RE.

But solidly in the boring middle, but over halfway. My principal is now large enough, and my runway until retirement short enough, that my contributions have less and less of an impact compared to my compounding interest…well, my theoretical compounding interest if the stock market improves.

Which is fortunate because I got laid off in March. I was worried about what impact this would have on my retirement date…and it won’t. I could stop saving now and still retire when I want to, with a slightly tighter budget. Or work a few more months and retire with the same large budget.

So that’s where I’m at.

[–] yenahmik 5 points 1 year ago

I'm deep in the boring middle of neither FI nor RE. I'm currently ~halfway to my current goal number, and can definitely see the light at the end of the tunnel.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The Boeing middle, but over halfway. My principal is now large enough, and my runway until retirement shirt enough, that my contributions have less and less of an impact compared to my compounding interest…well, my theoretical compounding interest if the stock market improves.

Which is fortunate because I got laid off in March. I was worried about what impact this would have on my retirement date…and it won’t. I could stop saving now and still retire when I want to, with a slightly tighter budget.

So that’s where I’m at.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Early twenties, no savings yet. But at least I'm planning ahead.

[–] AquaTofana 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Little late to the party, but we're neither FI nor RE. We're solidly in the boring middle part, but it's getting actually exciting watching our investments grow! Financial news is starting to seem worthwhile, and if we liquidate all our investments we could pay off all debts (only mortgage and some 0% home improvement loans).

It's fucking nice to feel this secure, and I wish it was more accessible for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

nice, it must feel so great to be (almost) debt free! I hope to reach that level soon 👍it's a funny feeling when financial news goes from boring as a young adult to suddenly engaging haha.

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