The Industrial Revolution demands its workers
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helping children learn to read sounds like an ideal use case for an LLM. An app that utilizes its own users interactions to enhance its own capabilities is not inherently malicious and is vastly different from selling user data to third parties or training on scraped content from others.
And what are you even talking about with the "children could face disciplinary or legal consequences for noncompliance" nonsense. where was that in the article?
"Children could face disciplinary or legal consequences for noncompliiance" is just how school works.
Exactly, they're a captive audience, and moreover they are legally incompetent to consent to a contracted business relationship like this
If this was a department of education AI or even some kind of transparently administered non-profit organization I'd be fine with this, but the fact that this is being developed for some for profit company that can just jack their rates and cut off public schools whenever they want to is bullshit. Like, I'm not opposed to the technology of LLMs at all, I think they're actually pretty neat, but our social and economic systems have a lot of exploitative trash in them that cool technologies can inadvertently exacerbate.
Do you think the department of education writes the textbooks, standardized tests (SAT, ACT, etc.), grading and student management software, learning management systems (Google Classroom, Canvas), or manufactures its own classroom tech (Chromebooks, tablets)? The education system is full of for-profit businesses that can jack up the prices, and they do. The DOE simply doesn't have the resources to create these things themselves and would cost them far more if they tried. The only new thing here is the AI, the business model has existed forever
Personally, I'm more concerned with the use of Google products in schools. A company that's sole business is harvesting user data and selling it to advertisers should have no place in schools or children's products. But they've embedded themselves into everything so people just accept it at the cost of privacy
There is a difference between the old fashioned scams with textbooks, and the new AI scams. Its true they have a lot of things in common. But the AI scams are more centralized, more powerful, can make more money. These are forging new ways to con people.
But we have gone through several generations of new scams, they are not all bad. Such greed and kickbacks are probably healthier than realized and contribute to a stable society somehow in a way that escapes me, but I feel is valid
Do you think the department of education writes the textbooks, standardized tests (SAT, ACT, etc.), grading and student management software, learning management systems (Google Classroom, Canvas), or manufactures its own classroom tech (Chromebooks, tablets)?
Each one of those has a bunch of particular nuances, but in general - yeah, I think they could and should in a lot of those cases
The education system is full of for-profit businesses that can jack up the prices, and they do.
Yeah, it's a big problem with a lot of little parts to be tackled
The DOE simply doesn't have the resources to create these things themselves
Then government should give them the resources (actually, I think a whole separate agency that develops open source software for any government agency or anyone else who wants to use them should be established, but that's kind of besides the point).
and would cost them far more if they tried
I don't think that's true, and even if it were I think we should be willing to pay premium to make sure essential systems that support the public good are being administered in democratic ways (e.g. by public agencies that are required to give public reports to elected lawmakers and be subject to citizens' FOIA requests).
the business model has existed forever
A lot of stupid ideas hang on for a really long time. Like, we still have monarchies in the 21st century world.
Personally, I'm more concerned with the use of Google products in schools. A company that's sole business is harvesting user data and selling it to advertisers should have no place in schools or children's products. But they've embedded themselves into everything so people just accept it at the cost of privacy
I 100% agree this is a significant problem too, I just haven't come across any good articles about it recently
The day AI becomes a better teacher in general than a human, not just for single student experiences but for a while class of people with individual preferences and needs, is the day Hell freezes over.