Warframe

New War was fun, as a story mission. Veilbreaker missions though... they have a few problems:

• They're repetitive. They were fun the first few times, but having to do the same 1 of 3 missions every week is borrrrrinnng. Yes WF has a lot of repetition, but there's ways to mitigate that, mainly by changing up your frame/weapons to constantly have a different experience. VB doesn't have that.

• There's no customization. Warframe is a game all about customizing your appearance, your loadout, your builds... Kahl has... well, appearance. But there's no way to change up your experience. It's always the same gun every single time. Literally has 0 variety.

• It's clunky. Warframe is about speed and fun engaging movement mechanics. Yes Grineer are not Warframes, but... that's kinda the problem isnt it? Who wants to play as a boring clone who can barely jump after playing as a ninja supersoldier god that can spin, roll, fly, etc...

• Progress is ass. If you care about getting a shard every week, then you need 90 tokens. You can only get tokens from doing extra "challenges" and the max is 110, so you effectively have to get all but 1 challenge every. week. This is time-consuming and tedious, since most of the challenges are things like "find the stuffed animal." Man fuck off, I'm here to commit warcrimes, not look for kids toys. They need to make it so kills give you tokens too (in small quantities) and the challenges are unneeded but helpful boosts. Token prices may need to be adjusted for this, but the important thing is that you can earn progress by actually playing the game, rather than being annoyed that the enemies are bothering you while you're trying to help PETA find one more dog to set free.

The New War was fine as a story mission, and they don't require someone to play the mission again and again to get anything else out of it. If someone wants to play it again for the story, they can, but nobody is missing out on not playing the quest weekly.

Khal Missions on the other hand are very repetitive, especially with Kahl's clunky movement and some buggy side objectives that don't spawn correctly. I found I was often backtracking to the very start of a mission trying to find the the last passcode in a mission just to find out it never generated in the first place. If I wanted to finish this challenge, I would have to play through the entire mission a second time just the 6 tokens the side objective rewarded. There was an update which was supposed to overpopulate the map with surplus items to complete the side objectives in one run but that update seems bugged/reverted and we're back to Kahl missions spawning just enough or fewer than what you need to complete these objectives. These are mostly issues for anyone that wanted to complete everything for the bonus rewards, and less of an issue for anyone that was only focused on the main objective.
In short, Khal missions were too slow, repetitive and often encountered bugs making them less enjoyable while requiring a lot of investment time wise and little progress made in return.

I think New War was fine, really good actually. Kahl missions on the other hand are just not worth the rewards for me.

It's even more repetitive than regular gameplay since the maps aren't randomly generated, plus you don't get to be a superpowered space ninja, which usually contributes a lot to how great the gameplay feels.

Once you've acquired the "one-time rewards" like the cosmetics and Styanax blueprints, you can farm for a weekly Archon Shard. But while the Archon Shards from Archon Hunts can be Tauforged, this one can't, which creates the feeling of the reward not being worth the slog I'm putting myself through.

oh wow, this is how i remember that even exists. I moved back to the orbiter so that I wouldn't have to see the yellow objective marker all the time and just forgot about kahl. Loved the new war, can't say I like the bundled post-quest activities at all.

I loved the New War. It was a brilliant quest imo. Kahl’s Garrison on the other hand is a boring weekly dread just for some time-gated shards.

The only thing I despised was the fact that they locked all of that shit behind having a necramech, and it was either expensive or a pain in the ASS to get. Seriously the necramech grind was the most boring and drawn out portion of the entire game for me thus far, and im mr 20 at this point.

Other than that the actual quest was great, and I also find Kahl's missions to be fun so, I'm over it lol.

It's a fun change of pace for 1 to 3 times, but technically if you "need" archon shards you are forced to do it weekly, the same 3 boring slow missions, when you just want to blast things away with your warframe but you are stuck in a 20 min. Mission with npcs to guard and a timer running

tbf Duviri is worse, made me stop playin

The issue here was that they were much more onerous at time of release. I didn't fight Archon Boreal w Drifter+Nataruk but a friend of mine was soft-locked in that fight for a session. It wasn't possible for them to do what was necessary fast enough to end the fight. They were prepared to give up on playing Warframe if it hadn't pulled them back to mission select launching again so they could avoid Boreal.

Kahls missions use to be worse too. I recall for the first month or so it'd easily take two hours of wondering about in the maps at a painfully slow pace relative to pretty much all other content in-game to find all the collectables or decide to abandon 15 stock for that week because 1/6 of whichever McGuffin was hidden too well. Now it feels like it gives you fewer collect McGuffins, the McGuffins are more frequently spawned not-far off the path of the main objective, and the most frustrating spawn locations have been removed entirely (however I haven't read all the patch-notes related to Kahl's missions since release so this is just my impression of any changes).

There's also the fact that for those of us who did TNW at or near launch it felt much emptier because there was almost nothing meaningfully changed pre to post NW. There was the new skin for the Open Worlds and Narmer Bounties (& one of my favorite Warframes) but that really didn't feel like a big impactful system-changing even like it was hyped up to be. Then Kahl missions were added and Narmer felt less conspicuously absent from the System but it seemed like they were being mopped up. Then the Archon Hunts were added and it started to feel like they were still a problem and only weren't still a major-player like the main three factions due to active suppression by us.

So with the frustrating state of affairs 'round the launch of TNW and the content being rougher 'round the edges some of the community wasn't pleased with the updates. I think now that it's all together and those rough edges have been sanded down there's significantly less cause to dislike any of it except maybe a lingering frustration with how it used to be.

I liked the new war but the post update content kinda fell flat to me. Kahl missions are fun the first few times and then its incredibly samey, archon shards are a cool addition but once you learn to oneshot the archons its just another sergant but gated by two very long tedious (not hard just tedious) prequisite missions.

Personally I couldn't stand new war. So many cutscenes that randomly require input, which I can't stand in any game. The stealth missions were terrible and the AI made no sense to me with their range to locate you. It also didn't help that I was rushing the mission to get to steel path and just wanted to be done.

I liked The New War! The quest was awesome, fighting the Archons as Drifter was fun. The lack of general changes to the Origin system was a bit of a let-down but we did get Archon Shards and the Drifter from it. Kahl though, was a different beast. Doing his missions was fun for maybe a month, then it became tedious as hell. I haven't touched them in months, the extra Archon Shard be damned, it's just not worth it. Also, remember that people having a negative experience are far more likely to post about it than those who just enjoyed the quest and went about their day, so looking at opinions online can give you a skewed perspective.

I think the New War quest was a dissapointment story wise. The whole eternalism thing made me lost all interest in the story of the game as nothing seemed to matter in my eyes anymore. I didn't even touch khal missions after the first one I did. It really didn't connect with me at all. I am glad you find it fun, though!

New War was great. Kahl missions, I hate.

Kahl got a lot better. You used to have to finish entire challenges in one run (no saving progress between runs) and you had to finish the mission to get credit (no aborting to cash in). And now there are more resources (genestamps, veils, etc) than a challenge requires, so you can miss one and still finish in one run. They also used to have really annoying ones like "Scour every corner of the map without missing one item" on the same week as "Finish in 15 minutes" which really pissed me off. Given everything else I said, this basically guaranteed having to do it twice in one week.

But it's still a bullshit system. Archon shards in general are bullshit. Hard time-gated resource with a fairly significant impact on gameplay. You need 90 of the max 105 stock per week to buy one. It's really one of the main things I try not to miss. So I still do Kahl every week and Archon every week. Kahl stock, like Archon shards, are another super-scarce time-gated resource. Their existence just pisses me off. But I build every frame and they do make a significant enough impact that I at least want to get 5 for every frame, ideally 5 correct ones lol.

And it doesn't help that Kahl can't bullet jump... just not that fun to do on repeat!