A couple of months ago I wrote a single comment under a post about a hateful rage upon israel in c/news, literally I wrote “What could Hamas do to end the violence?”

Nothing else.

And I got immediately banned.

The moderators refuse to answer my messages.

Not even that, they even banned a buddy who spoke up in my defence per message - not per c/news but really just a personal message to be sure.

In 15 years of Reddit my posts got deleted a lot - but NEVER my comments and I got NEVER banned for anything.

If this is what Lemmy wants to be, then be it but without me.

Do you think this is what Lemmy needs to be?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

mod Removed Comment Always take such accussations with a grain of salt as Hamas is known for lying about pretty much everything. Why Gaza-Citizens get handcuffed in Israel hospitals? Because Hamas, PLO and other Jihadists have used ambulances as car bombs in the past and wounded themselves to get close enough to kill Israeli doctors. And if the patients are unhappy about the Israeli treatment of wounded they are free to go to Egypt. Oh, wait, the other Arabs give a damned shit about the Gazans? Well, why would be that? Now ask yourself, what could Hamas do to stop the violence? by Crass Spektakel @lemmy.world reason: misinformation

This is "What could Hamas do to end the violence?" and nothing else?

You are aware that we can read through the modlog and see what you actually posted, right?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

Modlog might be the best thing about Lemmy. Kinda answers OP's question

[+] Crass_Spektakel -27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for agreeing because if you read the log you will see it wasn't THAT post which got me banned.

[–] jeffw 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You’re like the sibling who says “I’m not touching you” while torturing your sibling and then you run to your parents when your sibling claps back

No one comment gets you banned, unless it is egregious

[+] Crass_Spektakel -16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

in c/news anything goes... even a "what could Hamas do to stop the violence?" is enough. Try it yourself.

[–] jeffw 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Really? Tell me more about the mods there. Why don’t you tell me more about why I suck lol

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is sort of hilarious that he didn't know who he was replying to.

[–] jeffw 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Doesn’t bother me if people voice their criticisms but it’s funny when they make overly aggressive comments without realizing who they’re talking to.

For the record, anyone is welcome to talk shit here. It’s not going to get you banned. What you post/comment in the community will get you banned.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

Lemmy is more than one mod, more than one community, more than one server. Seems you're using a lot of words to say goodbye to people who didn't even know you were here? I'm not sure what you're really trying to accomplish besides yelling at clouds. Stay and help make Lemmy what you think it should be or go, but posts like this don't really do anything?

[–] JonsJava 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It was 5 months ago
when a user is actively commenting and violating the community rules, we may ban, then remove content.
When it is an active thread, we may accidentally put the wrong reason - yours was actually "multiple rule violations", but it appears I mixed you and someone else up when putting in the reason.
You were being an ass
YESTERDAY you reached out to us for help. I explained I don't like perma banning, and I was willing to work with you. I linked to your mod log, and invited you to appeal the ban. You decided to not appeal it, and called my moderation team ~~corrupt~~ fascist .

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Commenting with my default recommendation in this case

[email protected]

But based on the rest of the comments, you'll probably get similar feedback there

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Just go away already, sheesh

[–] Pfeffy -1 points 2 weeks ago

This sounds great and I'm glad that Lenny is this way. Thank you for the positive information. It's awesome to see bad faith Zionist shills get ridiculed and ignored the way that they should. Go back to Reddit world news.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

The Lemmy.world News community moderation is awful; particularly when it comes to anything regarding Israel.

If I recall correctly I literally had a comment taken down for just explaining the perspective expressed (at the time recently) by an Israeli official. I believe the moderation note was that I was not making a "good faith" argument.

I would go so far as to say being anything but anti-Israel is not permitted in that community. I don't interact over there anymore.

[–] JonsJava 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not that simple though; Israel wants to eliminate Hamas (and they have plenty of reason for that -- if Mexico attacked the US like Hamas attacked Israel, there would simply put no longer be a Mexico). It would be tone deaf to Israel to say "leave Gaza" without that mission accomplished. They claim they don't even want the area, they just want Hamas gone. Furthermore, Hamas is fighting with guerilla tactics. They're intentionally trying to provoke war crimes. Israel doesn't have to be so dang willing to fall for the trap. However, Hamas is making it exceptionally hard to fight a clean war from what I've read. Citizens in the Gaza strip are not just being abused by the IDF but by Hamas. I wouldn't be surprised if Biden has his own Intel to back that all up. If it were as obvious as people want it to be, I'm pretty sure we would've stopped sending aid by now.

This was the comment. Emphasis added.

The reason a mod called it bad faith: Israelis were actively settling the land after the IDF cleared it out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Thanks for finding it; I couldn't on my mobile app.

Also if that's the reason it was "bad faith", I think a far more appropriate action is to just say "they're actively settling the land they claim they don't want anyways" ideally with a citation as a comment.

That sentence was a fraction of what I'd said anyways. To remove the whole comment due to an objection to one sentence is ridiculous.

[–] JonsJava 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Looking back, that was a bad day, with tons of reports coming in, and I believe the mod team was just working the reports as fast as they could.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We're all only human and it's a hot button issue that's divisive even within the left leaning US political spectrum. Still, I suspect you can appreciate how frustrating it is from my perspective and why it has sat with me rather unfondly.

The Lemmy attitude has been staunchly anti-Israel (and at times frighteningly pro-Hamas) across the platform and having moderators remove a "mild mannered" comment, not in support of Israel, but in defense of situational nuance... It just further reinforces that narrative.

As I recall that day, several people I was engaging with were being much more uncivil and fervent than I was; Lemmy's moderation weirdness likely doesn't help as I'm not sure cross-instance reports really do much.

[–] JonsJava 2 points 2 weeks ago

As a mod, what I can say is this:

If something of yours is removed, or you receive a ban, send us a message. We can work through it. Also, if you see something, report it.

We're volunteers, and don't police every comment or post, as we have full-time jobs. We tend to look at the reports, try to gather some context if time allows, then take action or not, based on the community rules.

Thanks for your feedback. I really appreciate it!

[+] Crass_Spektakel -21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Honestly, given the Moderators background I think they are straw-men by the Axis-of-Evil (Russia, Iran, North-Korea) which took control of all major Lemmy Communities "just in case"

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Eh, maybe, but that's quite the claim.

I don't think forums really are a great place to have these political discussions at this point. I don't know how to make a news community that isn't going to outrage some group of people and become a moderation nightmare of its own given current political division.

(Edit: more likely they're well meaning moderators trying to prevent disinformation with their own political tilt on the facts, one which I, and I believe yourself, do not think is an accurate tilt given the rhetoric and behavior of Hamas)

Also just with regard to moderating controversial stuff, there are some shitty people out there ... The Lemmy development chat got bombarded with child porn. The KDE community got bombarded with gore. I'm still trying to get both of the respective images I saw out of my mind.

Honestly, between the technical issues as the base of lemmy, the leftist tilt, the honestly traumatizing imagery I've seen, etc, I'm increasingly considering packing up and moving to blue sky once it gets communities/discussion groups. The fedi-safe stuff has helped a lot, but I'm still in awe that there aren't more protections in place for lemmy (or matrix public chats).