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[–] PugJesus 186 points 5 days ago (74 children)

Sure, more Palestinians will die

Sure, Ukrainians will die

Sure, US minorities will die

Sure, the entire world will suffer from a fascist demagogue at the head of the most powerful country in the world

But have you considered that, for a few brief moments of time, ~~we created a lot of value for the shareholders~~ we got to feel smug over the SHITLIBS who wanted to prevent fascism?

[–] [email protected] 64 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Ahh, but you see, you disagreed with Stalin that one time, and therefore you were the fascist all along

[–] PugJesus 46 points 5 days ago (3 children)

As I believe in the abolition of capitalism and the creation of a popular base of support for such a measure, instead of a narrow oligarchy oppressing the proletariat and enforcing its will on society, I am a shitlib. It's a terrible burden to bear. 😔

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

It's honestly such a shockingly privileged position it almost defies belief that anyone could actually be so dense unless they are operating in bad faith. Yes, there are several serious problems in the world, and absolutely none of them are solved by helping the US slip into fascism. Leftists in particular are supposed to hate fascists, so I can't imagine how anyone with leftist sympathies could possibly want to see what the world looks like with an unrestrained Trunp at the helm. Again, unless they are so privileged they don't think the consequences would affect them personally, in which case I would call any other profession of external empathy which they might bleet ad nauseum, as questionably sincere.

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[–] madcaesar 29 points 4 days ago (15 children)

People refusing to vote for Harris becuase of a foreign conflict they understand nothing about is peak stupidty.

[–] Lauchs 14 points 4 days ago

"I completely understand the Palestine/Israel situation, I've watched multiple tiktoks about it!!!!"

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[–] paddirn 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (13 children)

Yeah, because that worked out so well when in 2016 when Trump got elected, the GOP got multiple Supreme Court picks, multiple federal judges were given life terms, and Roe vs Wade got struck down. Let's see how that plays out when Ukraine falls, war breaks out in Europe, America becomes a theocratic dictatorship, and what little progress we may have seen with the environment completely falls apart and the world goes full tilt towards becoming an uninhabitable hellscape. Whatever the protest was about will be utterly meaningless.

If you want to protest, you protest AFTER you get sympathetic ears into office, not after you get the opposition elected. Trump gets in, then suddenly he'll give you plenty to protest about, vs protesting when Harris is in office and she actually has a willingness to listen to protests and meet their demands.

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[–] x00z 5 points 3 days ago

Social media psyops don't require all of the people to be puppets. You just spread some ideas around that get picked up by normal people, make some opinions get seen by the right people, etc. They are mostly not starting fires, but are simply adding a tiny bit of fuel here and there, which gets amplified by the internet.

All of the excessive online moderation actually works against it. When I started using the internet, there was a golden rule: "don't believe anything on the internet". Nowadays people think platforms will only show them the truth, but in reality you're being put into a filterbubble, an echo chamber of an opinion that keeps fueling itself.

[–] lennybird 6 points 3 days ago

Such people who buy into this logic aren't all that bright. Accelerationists without a comprehension of entropy or a capacity of how this might impact a whole range of other vitally-important issues like women's rights or Ukrainian civilians among dozens over others.

Alas, we know a lot of this is fueled by foreign propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

oh i'm sure the comments on this post will be real civil

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (17 children)

They are either Russian trolls or children who have a Disney level perspective on politics, I think. They don't want to recognize that they have very limited options or the harsh realities surrounding them.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (5 children)

From now on, whenever I encounter someone who says they're not voting/voting 3rd party, I'm gunna ask if they've tried to reach out to their representatives trying to get them to raise some support for what they believe in. Or if they've tried nothing and are now just giving up. These people are literally supposed to work for us.

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[–] Copernican 26 points 4 days ago (7 children)

It really depends on which state you live in whether or not you have the luxury of a protest vote. If you live in NY state that has a 20% lead for Harris, sure, some people can vote Jill Stein or something. But if you live in a state that actually might be close or not an obvious blowout, you can't vote that way. You actually have to be tactical with your vote, not idealistic or symbolic.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 days ago (59 children)

I got into this argument the other day. People’s arrogance and lack of common sense was disappointing.

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[–] zeppo 3 points 3 days ago

The concept of electing Trump to help Palestinians is basically the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard, but I guess some people might legitimately believe it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Usually they live in blue states that will partially insulate them from the consequences. Or they’re young and don’t understand knock on effects yet.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (3 children)

OF COURSE Trump supporters are selfish and dumb. That’s what makes them great dupes for evil forces. Trump himself knew this, as he’s famously said.

Someone else summed it up almost a century ago: “It works the same in every country.”

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 days ago (40 children)

It's almost like the current and immediate conflict between Israel and Palestinians isn't the singular thing that the world should have serious concern about, and that realistic solutions to longstanding international diplomacy issues are - wait for it - hard.

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