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Ukraine cannot defeat Russia – the best the west can do is help Kyiv plan for a secure post-war future. (theconversation.com)

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What is this Kremlin garbage.

[+] [email protected] -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The west is not helping it as they should.

Exactly, and even pointing this out is liable to get you labeled as a Russian bot.

The political will to actually help Ukaine succeed is obviously not there, we're not doing enough, and we're now seeing the results. But let's stick our heads in the sand and pretend that anything negative is obviously "Kremlin garbage"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

my issue with the artcle isnt that its poiting out the possibility of the ukraine losing (which is very real), but the suggestion of a "post-war ukraine", that might be able to better defend against russia.

to putin, winning this war doesnt just mean taking over some land, but the entirety of ukraine. if russia wins, best case szenario is they kick out and murder/ imprison the old government, and replace it with a puppet-regime, worst case they get rid of ukraine as a nation, absorb it into russia and annihilate anything ukrainian left (language, culture, ressentiments, opposition) by way of ethnic clensing.

if russia wins, there wont be a ukraine anymore.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

You're assuming an "absolute" victory where they take over the entire country though, which doesn't seem too likely, instead of just Russia controlling some part of eastern Ukraine + Crimea, which wouldn't grant them total control over the rest of Ukraine