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The more I use lemmy, the more it begins to just feel like all the same problems reddit had. It has the same problems with major communities having far left moderation standards that only apply to the right, the same hive mind users that just spam the same tired out leftist talking points over and over while refusing anything close to an actual discussion.

The only upsides are that downvotes aren't used to punish you site wide, and the handful of non-leftist instances that exist, though they always end up defederated by all the major instances, effectively making them poor spaces for general discussion.

So what are your thoughts? Is this just the "more like under new management" from megamind? Is there hope for it to become a decent platform for everyone, not just the left?

Edit: yeah, it's just as bad. Fuck the retarded admins and fuck the left

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

It may just be that there are a lot more "leftist people" than you think there are. The world is not the U.S., and what is "left" in the U.S. is centre or even rightwing in a lot of other countries. To me, a complaint like this sounds more like "I want a far-right forum online", in which case 4chan is probably your best bet.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Did you ever consider that maybe the majority isn't actually that "far left", but it is you who is so far right that everybody else looks like a raging marxist to you? There are of course tankies on here, but the vast majority seem like average ordinary people to me.

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[–] Holyginz 16 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Considering your failed attempts at debate I've seen the problem is you don't actually have any defenses of your positions and when that fails you fall back on projection. If you don't want to feel isolated then you need to actually learn and understand how to have real debates and discussions and learn how to argue in good faith. Majority of people on fediverse expect arguments to have evidence and proof and not just anecdotal emotional response statements.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

My opinion is that there are a lot of far left people here, that part is true. I consider myself a socialist, but not so far left that I can't criticize Russia, China or North Korea that some here seem to be.

The only right-wing instance that has been defederated was exploding-heads.com. I was part of that discussion, I voted to defederate and I would do it again. It was nothing to do with their politics for me, it was all about the hate speech. The posts there specifically calling for the death of trans people, holocaust denial and other big red lines for me was why I wanted the defederation to happen.

A conservative who acknowledges that minorities have human rights and that historical events really happened is absolutely A-ok in my book. We might not agree on our politics, but it's still a conversation worth having.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Is lemmy just going to become reddit 2.0?

No. Lemmy is federated so it's not going to run into the same problem of unabashed capitalists trying to eke out every of cent of profit they can from the platform. It has built in protections against all the things that ruined reddit.

Oh, you were talking about all the good points of reddit? Lol.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's because the initial lemmy launch was very leftist-oriented, so most people who used it early on were probably quite leftist. Basically as Voat was to the far right, so is lemmy to the far-left.

Add to that Reddit and lemmy both cater to younger people, and younger people tend to skew left, you're left with a very left-leaning audience.

So these leftist early adopters snapped up the popular names for communities, so we're left with a leftist culture on the site, even as right-leaning people later on come to the platform.

At least that's my take. And honestly, as a libertarian, I'm okay with it. I'm pretty good at filtering out biases, so I ignore the worst of it and try to give another perspective in areas that seem more open. I hate echo chambers of all varieties, so I also generally avoid the libertarian ones as well (i.e. /r/libertarian on Reddit as a cesspool). I dislike conservative politics, but I also dislike progressive politics and prefer an actual focus on small government that respects individual rights. Sometimes conservatives get that right, sometimes liberals do, and I'm up for discussing it in both cases.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I don't actually care that much if the community skews left, my main concern is how moderation ends up on major communities and instances. Specifically as to whether they act like reddit did, feigning neutrality to maintain appearances while the weaponizing the rules against the right.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

I don't think they really did that though. Maybe on some subs, but any unequal moderation is much easier to chalk up to subconscious biases than anything intentional (i.e. it's easier to overlook rule breakage for a cause you agree with and enforce rules for causes you don't). There are even laws on the books that police don't need to apply justice equally, only that they need to apply them lawfully (i.e. it's not a problem to hand out tickets to black people more frequently than white people, provided the tickets are legally valid).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Depends if more dipshit conservatives join. You can't just virtue signal over at reddit where everyone loves you? Dumb pricks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The fact that it's federated and anyone can start their own instance that can interact with any other instance unless the admins defederate from them will solve most of the problems.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

dem. socialism is centre-left at best... stop looking at everything through the Trump-esque """Radical left""". I know you're a conservative, but people all around the political spectrum want to spend more on better public healthcare, slam down on gun violence, improve democracy.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

Curious why you came to a three month old post just to leave a comment that's entirely irrelevant

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I'm working on a Lemmy instance just for conservatives so that moderation and unjustified censorship will not be a problem anymore. The server is hosted in Kentucky in a datacenter run by conservative friends.

I started working on it since lemmy.world banned me and either took over or deleted the communities that I created. None of them promoted any extreme views, just normal political stuff. I didn't break any of their actual rules. Their reasoning: spreading fake news.

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