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Mandatory reporting strikes again. This person didn't get the medical help they needed because they didn't want police involved. This is exactly why doctors can't share your medical information with anyone: because then people will keep secrets from their doctors and the entire medical field suffers
PSA
If you have been sexually assaulted or abused by someone, please tell somebody. Preferably the police, but if not them then tell someone else that you trust. I know this is a huge ask. I know you want to completely erase it from your memory. I know that doing this means unleashing a shit storm that you can never undo. I know it's going to dredge up all kinds of pain. I know it might permanently reshape your life. I know it's going to be incredibly hard. It's probably going to take courage that you're not even sure you have.
The reason I'm asking you to do this is because there's a really good chance that the person who did this to you has done it before or will do it again. YOU may be the only thing standing between the perpetrator and their next victim. The fact that it happened to you is terrible and I'm so sorry for that. But you have the power to help make sure what happened to you doesn't happen to anyone else. So please tell someone because you might very well be the hero, that you needed, for someone else. There are few things in life more honorable than that.
To add to this, sometimes one person finding the bravery to speak out can lead to other victims feeling the courage to as well.
I guess this is that sign for me to talk to someone who would know if something happened to me and get it officially confirmed. I’ve been going over and over whether I should, but this solidifies it.
That's a pretty disturbing story, and I never would have imagined they would not tell a victim. I understand the argument against it, but the risk of long term mental illness / PTSD from it being suppressed just seems way too high.
I don't understand the argument against it.
It's their body. They don't just have a right to know. They need to know.
It's a good point, if one truly doesn't know and really is continuing on with life just fine then telling them would I'm effect cause trauma where there was none before
One of the most prolific incidents of unknowing victims in recent years was the case of Reynhard Sinaga, who drugged and raped at least 48 men in Manchester between 2015 and 2017. Almost all the victims had no idea they had been raped until police officers knocked on the door years later.
“It was a moral dilemma,” says Lisa Waters, the former child service manager at St Mary’s sexual assault referral centre, who worked with police on these visits. “You can’t just go in there, tell them what’s happened and drop the bombshell and walk away. You have an obligation to keep people safe.”
Some victims were numb; others were furious. “Why have you told me this?” Waters recalls them asking. “I had no idea that this happened to me. You’ve ruined my life. So why have you told me?” But for other victims, the revelation was a relief.
There's no good answer on this, maybe some sort of initial generic question like "Something bad has happened to you in your past you maybe unaware of, would you like details?"
It would still cause one to worry about that something has happened to them, but at least they would have time to figure out their own best way forward before being bombarded with details
I hope we as a society will start teaching new parents that they shouldn't rely on child development advice from a single person, especially one with limited knowledge and experience in that area. Raising humans is complicated, and as with many things, the pitfalls are often invisible unless you've run into them before.
I assume the detective constable meant well when offering guidance, but it's important to consider the source when evaluating guidance, and be a little skeptical when it comes from someone whose qualifications and incentives don't directly apply.
I’m positively surprised that the article acknowledges the nuance of question of whether unknowing victims should be informed, instead of just jumping on the “tell them all, no matter if it hurts them more than the crime did”.
Anyone who claims that there is a simple answer that is always best is acting out of ideology, rather than an interest in improving people’s lives…
The one thing that might help somewhat, at huge logistic cost, would be to ask everyone what their preference in a situation like that is, ideally with the possibility to have different answers for different crimes. Like, combine it with a question on being an organ-donor and a couple of similar things. Since it goes to everyone, people who don’t know and don’t want to know can stay in blissful ignorance, because the question doesn’t arise suspicions, as it would be if only they got asked. You could still get bad results, but in that case they would at least be the results the people in question choose. Though even this approach can’t easily deal with the cases of minors being involved…
All that said, there is another component to the case, that might be the biggest problem with it: The perpetrator getting of easy because it was assumed that the victims didn’t know and the implication of a much harder punishment had they been known to have known: Whether the victims knew, didn’t change the crime that was committed, only the outcome. And punishing the outcome rather than the action is an extremely bad way to enact justice. (Yes, attempted murder should be punished like murder!)
Anyone who claims that there is a simple answer that is always best is acting out of ideology, rather than an interest in improving people’s lives…
disagree. as someone who lived through childhood trauma, kids know more than their parents think, and keeping information from them doesn't leave them in an ignorant bliss, it leaves them wondering why no one intervened, why no one knew when it was obvious, etc. I think it's a form of gaslighting.
Not telling someone something isn’t gaslighting. That’s a very different thing.
And you are making the mistake of assuming that other people think like you, have the same preferences as you, also have memories on an at least subconscious level, …
There are just so many factors, that depend on the person and this is one of those cases where extrapolating from your own lived experience is not the right way to do things. Like: I’m trans and you can trust me, that I have my own places, where I know that I can’t apply my standards to other people (“what do you mean, people don’t like the effects of cross-sex hormones?”).
Not telling someone something isn’t gaslighting. That’s a very different thing.
I disagree. acting like nothing happened when it's actually one of the worst things that can happen to a kid is just bonkers.