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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

I am confused, does he get distracted?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He doesn't! But he also doesn't get upset, and he doesn't get, what again? I can't remember it, I just saw a squirrel.

[–] x0x7 3 points 1 month ago

Well I fucked up. It's still a good video.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I am sorry can someone summarise it for me? Is this dude telling us that 7 October akshually was Israeli killing 1200 Israelis? Just asking to be sure

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

So, this dude weaseling out of and dodging questions concerning the responsibility of Hamas, Hisbollah etc, arguing that it was Israel who killed the October 7th victims in a video that cuts away every time somebody starts to call him out is supposed to "take apart" the moderator? Sorry, but no.

[–] Bertuccio 2 points 1 month ago

Showing up on Morgan's self-titled show, helping him get views, ratings, clout, and money is taking him down?

Pretty sure that's not how it works.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Lots of good points made, but hard to tell if he “takes apart piers” when we only hear one side of the conversation. It seems like piers even tries to agree with him, but we don’t get to hear it.

[–] DarthJon -3 points 1 month ago

He stays calm, I'll give him that. But repeating Palestinian propaganda is not "relentlessly taking apart Piers Morgan."

The Hannibal Directive is not, as he claims, "where Israel takes measures to kill captives." It simply gives operatives permission to fire on enemies who have taken captives even if doing so puts those captives at risk. This is a subtle but very important difference.

Second, although there is evidence that the Hannibal Directive was implemented in a very limited number of cases, there is absolutely no proof that it resulted in "hundreds" of Israeli civilian deaths as he claims. The IDF had such a small number of helicopter gunships in the area because of their delayed response that they simply couldn't have killed such a large number of civilians.

Third, it is irrelevant. Even if it were true that, say, 300 civilians died under Israeli fire, that still leaves 900 civilians murdered by Hamas. Does that make their barbaric orgy of violence less morally reprehensible? Are they somehow not evil anymore because they only butchered 900 people rather than the full 1200?

This propaganda is just one of the many, many attempts used by Palestinian activists to paint Israel and the IDF as amoral monsters that have no respect for even the lives of their own people. It's nothing but dehumanization.