Not a big surprise that some of the european big players have not joined this. They overslept the EV transition in favour of their ICE circlejerk and now they are slowly paying the price for this shit.
this post was submitted on 01 Oct 2024
210 points (97.7% liked)
Europe
1588 readers
991 users here now
News and information from Europe 🇪🇺
(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)
Rules (2024-08-30)
- This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
- No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
- Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
- No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism.
- Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
- If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
- Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in [email protected]. (They're cool, you should subscribe there too!)
- Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
- No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)
(This list may get expanded when necessary.)
We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.
If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.
If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the mods: @[email protected], @[email protected], or @[email protected].
founded 5 months ago
MODERATORS
You mean they're whining for the taxpayer to pay the price for their complacency.
Yes, as they do usually. It's concerning that this seems to be the new normal for "too big to fail" companies.
It’s infuriating that lobbying does not just let them fail and give place for some one better
Remember how Schäuble and other Germans acted towards the Greece population. As a german, I expect either the same treatment towards this very German economic failure or reparations to Greece.
It's certainly not just a German failure, though. Stellantis (i.e. at the time, PSA and especially the Marchionne-led FCA) fucked up too, as did Renault-Nissan (despite their head start with Zoe/Leaf)
The Stellantis-VW coalition poses such an onslaught on the already weak climate goals of the transportation sector in Europe. Protest fatigue is my only explanation as to why this isn't taken to the streets or picket lines, but that's not a reliable position to stand on.
EVs just need to be monumentally cheaper. There's no chance I would be able to afford one myself. I'm still driving cars that cost between £500 and £1000.
Didn’t see that one coming
Why not? Car producers are begging for years for clear guidelines so they can develop solid plans instead of having to speculate how long they need to keep ICEs in parallel.
It's politicians bought by oil lobbyists (and a few bad apples in the industry refusing to acknowledge reality - often not even cas manufacturers themselves but people in their supply chain) that lie to us 24/7 allegedly protecting the very same producers.
Car producers are begging for years for clear guidelines so they can develop solid plans instead of having to speculate how long they need to keep ICEs in parallel.
I don't quite understand this. Nobody's forcing manufacturers to keep producing ICE cars. They could just say 'screw it' and decide on their own to only build BEV.
I suppose share holders and the market does. Because the ICE vehicles are still selling better then EVs and to make great EVs, there is a lot of expensive R&D, which why would they do, if share holders want to keep the money rather then spend it
They could just say ‘screw it’ and decide on their own to only build BEV.
And then they would go bankrupt pretty fast. EVs are more expensive and don't have a massive infrastructure to refuel them, build over decades (also still heavily subsidised indirectly).
The company saying "screw it" today just cut their available market down to a fraction of its former size, down to the small amount of "we have money to spare anyway and already have our own home and garage to refuel"-people. The majority can't afford to buy a car for twice the price because it's better for the environment. And they don't even have a spot to park them other than on the side of the street (maybe some countries are better than others in that regard but here having to charge at the few publically available chargers doubles the cost compoared to just plugging it in over night at home).
So yes, the companies actually need guidelines. They are no startup that can produce a few EVs and then scale up over the next decade. They are full fledged businesses with massive production facilities and tens of thousands of workers. They indeed need to know when to reach 100% EV production as they are depending on gradually changing over production. We will kill our ICE production today and only produce EVs isn't an option when 80% of the people either can't afford one or have no valid charging option yet.