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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 month ago

Fuck Israel for refusing to stop slaughtering Palestinian civilians and forcing this escalation.

And especially fuck the US for claiming for a year now to be working tirelessly towards a ceasefire, yet sending 10s of billions of money and bombs to Israel as a reward for the continued slaughter.

Disgusting land grabbers.

[–] NevermindNoMind 34 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Iran’s IRGC say attack on Israel response to killing of Nasrallah

Iran’s Fars news agency is reporting that Iran’s Revolutionary Guards said the missile attack under way on Israel is in response to the killing of Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah last week as well as that of the Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh earlier this year.

“In response to the martyrdom of Ismail Haniyeh, Hassan Nasrallah and (IRGC Guards commander) Nilforoshan, we targeted the heart of the occupied territories,” the IRGC said in a statement.

So seems like Iran intends this to be a one and done response for everything Israel has done the last few months.

[–] mkwt 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So seems like Iran intends this to be a one and done response for everything Israel has done the last few months.

i.e. "Please don't escalate this any further. We prefer this level of escalation and no more."

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Yeah, that's been Iran's position for a while. They don't strike first, but they'll return fire.

They do arm plenty of proxy groups, though.

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[–] FlyingSquid 9 points 1 month ago

So seems like Iran intends this to be a one and done response for everything Israel has done the last few months.

I think it's highly unlikely that Israel will agree on that one. This may escalate and quickly.

[–] NevermindNoMind 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The Washington Post is reporting, citing three anonymous Pentagon officials, that American troops in the Middle East were not targeted during the Iranian missile attack in Israel.

Iraqi group linked to Iran have previously fired rockets at military bases housing US soldiers in Iraq and Syria.

Another sign that Iran is trying to respond, as a deterrent, rather than with an intent to escalate. At least that's what it seems like so far.

[–] NevermindNoMind 3 points 1 month ago

Israeli military spokesperson Daniel Hagari just held a televised address.

In it, he said the Israeli military is “fully prepared to defend and retaliate” to the Iranian attack, stressing that it would be in a “timely manner”.

Hmm...

[–] FlyingSquid 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

BBC says Iran has launched a smaller number of missiles than they did in April.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

181 missiles were launched this time

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[–] Machinist 14 points 1 month ago (8 children)

How bad is this? Like WWIII bad or localized slaughter and 'limited' actions bad?

[–] farcaster 19 points 1 month ago

My guess is it depends on the damage this attack will cause. If the missiles are all shot down or hit desert, it will be some punitive F-35 strike on an Iranian airfield somewhere. But if there's significant damage and casualties it could escalate.

I don't think Iran is going to risk all out war with Israel and the US. I suspect they expect most of their missiles (like the drones) to be shot down. Perhaps that's wishful thinking though...

[–] NevermindNoMind 12 points 1 month ago

Depends on Israels response. When Iran did this in April in retaliation for Israel bombing an Iranean embassy, Iran was like "we have retaliated and are good now", Israel responded but it was limited, and status quo was restored.

If Israel decides to escalate (which is their default play lately), or if Iranean missiles hit forcing them to retaliate, there could be all out war, including involving the US.

If you want a hint of what's to come:

The far-right Israeli finance minister (Bezalel Smotrich) writes on social media: “Like Gaza, Hezbollah and the state of Lebanon, Iran will regret the moment.”

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Well the last time Iran fired stuff at Israel, the missles were all intercepted and didn't do anything. So we'll see. It may end up being another otherwise nothing burger, but considering Israel is actively invading Lebanon right now, the chances for larger and larger exchanges that begin overwhelming the Iron Dome are growing by the second.

[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 1 month ago

I guess that will depend on what the missiles are carrying.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let's just say a limited attack by Iran would be exactly what Netanjahu could wish for, to keep the war going and secure more support from the US. So this could be the start of another 30 year war in the middle east that draws in US ground troops at some point.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't see how the Middle East war could escalate into a worldwide conflict. Ukraine, maybe. The Middle East conflict spiralling out of that territory? Nah.

Russia are not that bothered about Iran, and the US want to keep Israel around for the geopolitical influence they get from them, but I don't think Israel is worth enough to the US to make them risk a direct confrontation with Russia.

Worst case scenario, Israel and Iran beat the shit out of each other while everyone else watches from the sidelines, making the occasional, half-hearted demand for a ceasefire. At most, Russia and US will continue supplying their respective friends with bombs and arms to profit off the conflict for as long as they can.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

The middle east only spirals to a world war if other countries start their own shit hoping that the existing conflict is too distracting. The US putting boots on the ground in the middle east is a great chance for China to start shit in Taiwan or south Korea.

The saving grace is there aren't that many countries that can escalate anything global besides the US and China. Russia seems fully occupied in Ukraine, and Europe is still a joke for military power currently.

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[–] FlyingSquid 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The BBC has some video. Looks like some missiles are being intercepted, some hitting.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cg4qx62kkxxt

[–] FlyingSquid 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

BBC: "celebratory gunfire" in Beiruit.

What a fucked up part of the world.

Edit: the celebratory part isn't fucked up. The doing it by shooting guns in the air is.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (59 children)

I mean I get where you're coming from but you can't honestly expect the people of Lebanon to be sympathetic to the Israeli's given the events of the past 2 weeks.

[–] FlyingSquid 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's not the celebration. It's the celebratory gunfire.

By all means, celebrate. Maybe don't do it in a way that can hurt other people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebratory_gunfire#Injuries

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh. Yeah, I agree with you. My bad, misinterpreted your comment.

[–] FlyingSquid 4 points 1 month ago

Sorry. Edited to clarify.

[–] AbidanYre 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 1 month ago

If you want me to claim that the U.S. is not also a fucked-up part of the world, you have come to the wrong person.

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[–] Itdidnttrickledown 11 points 1 month ago

What do they expect? That their tyranny and outright terrorism go unanswered. I guess they really think they are doing the right thing but I no longer care about isreal at all. What I don't like seeing is violence against Jews in other parts of the world as well as violence against Palestinians anywhere in world.

[–] FlyingSquid 5 points 1 month ago

BBC: Airspace over Israel has been re-opened.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Iran has fired missles at isreal, from Lebanon.

[–] Etterra 3 points 1 month ago

USA: we need to help defend Israel to prevent all-out west in the Middle East.

Netanyahu: CHARGE!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

The BBC shows video of missiles over Tel Aviv, but at this point 'll wait for confirmation from literally anyone else before I believe the IDF's claim that they're from Iran.

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