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[–] Zexks 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yes. It should be fucking illegal to go on public tv and just blast provable demonstrable lies as if they’re the truth. Doubly so if you’re considered a public official or a “news” source.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It goes back to which groups decide what is labeled 'lies', 'truth', 'disinformation', and'misinformation'; at the end of whatever is decided, we the working class are the ones that are effected the most with more restrictions on our right to speak our minds. 

This is in addition to the censorship being done by social media companies and the billionaires pushing for more surveillance of the working class.

[–] Crackhappy 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Demonstrable lies relates to being able to prove that they are lies. I believe that people should be allowed to lie all they want, but I also believe that our trusted (ha!) news organizations no longer call any of our politicians on those lies. Even when they do, they couch it in softer terms.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I believe that people should be allowed to lie all they want, but I also believe that our trusted (ha!) news organizations no longer call any of our politicians on those lies.

I agree. 

Due to the above, I think people should also read and watch independent journalists, in addition to just absorbing owner-class media, so we can see diverse narratives and framing from others.

[–] Crackhappy 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's funny, I usually find you insufferable and difficult to understand, but I think we are in agreement on this at least.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh, hahaha, it is not on purpose; I continue to try to improve my communication skills so that happens less often. 

Thanks for letting me know!

[–] Crackhappy 2 points 1 month ago

I have not blocked you because you are clearly quite intelligent, even though I often disagree with what you say. I am very much interested in your conflicting views.

[–] Zexks 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“the sun will not come up tomorrow if you vote for my rival”

This is demonstrably untrue and should lead to fines and prison sentences for those who utter it in a public forum under the guise of news or as a public figure. There are literally thousands/millions more like this.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I disagree, we the people should be able to speak our minds, especially those we do not agree with.

"Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." -- Harry S. Truman

[–] Zexks 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lies are not opposition. They’re lies. If I can go outside and literally point to their lies it should be illegal as a public figure. You want to lie from your basement idgaf but as soon as you become a public voice of ‘truth’ that shit ends.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I do not agree.

Again, you need to see who says and determines what are 'lies' vs. 'truth'. 

I do not trust the government and politicians; I don't think anyone should. We must always be critical of those with power and influence. 

[–] Zexks 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No you don’t. The sun doesn’t give a fuck about what you say.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

More regulations of our first amendment rights are not good; excuses are always used to censor dissent. 

I will always try to remind people to be highly critical of our government and those with power and influence. 

It is okay if we do not agree; we just have differences in how we see the government.

[–] Zexks 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] jimmydoreisalefty -2 points 1 month ago

Pushing all the blame on those who do not think like you want them to...

Censorship does not help; it is just a continuation of the owner class infringing on the working class' rights.

We already have a way to change people's minds; it is by talking and having discussions with your fellow people, which is hard and time-consuming but much better than the alternatives.

We must not dillude ourselves into thinking that lessening our fundamental rights in place of effective communication would be better for our society for the long term.