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The most likely government to emerge - most analysts predict - will be a coalition including a hard-right nationalist party for the first time in Spain since the death of fascist dictator Francisco Franco in 1975.

More left-leaning Spaniards are frantically texting contacts, urging them to make sure to vote - despite the heat and it being holiday time for many - to "stop the fascists" in their tracks.

The rhetoric this election season has been toxic, with voters becoming increasingly polarised.

It's a fight over values, traditions and about what being Spanish should mean in 2023.

This kind of heated identity debate isn't peculiar to Spain. Think of Italy, France, Brazil or the post-Trumpian debate in the US.

Ed: seems I posted it twice. I get these network errors, so Ideleted the other one.

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[–] danielbln 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sweeping across Europe it seems. Populists with easy solutions to complex problems, a tale as old as time, and nothing good ever comes from it.

[–] HowRu68 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sweeping across Europe (..) and nothing good ever comes from it.

100% agreed. To me personally, it shakes the foundation of democracy as we know it. Especially, since voter(s) appear to be so easily manipulated. These processes are hollowing out the meaning of " democratically installed Gvements ".

From another point of view, one could argue that this is exactly how democracy works, and this is what people want. But I wonder how come propagandist rhetoric haven't been condemned in elections? Not sure I understand all that though.

Added, a recent example; Just consider the Brexit elections and how most UK constituents were duped by politicians to opt out. Now, in 2023 they talk about Regrexit, as a majority would now cast a different vote. The consequences of decisions where people are somehow "mislead", often prove costly and severe.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think this is essentially because the social media and political theatre optimises for and favours popularity rather than truthfulness and scientific evidence seeking. Democracy decides by what people vote - and people don't vote scientifically. If we look at things like prediction markets for instance, we get much better answers for complex issues, because people have skin in the game and loose their money if they're wrong. In current politics, it's ironically more risky and damaging to say an unpopular, uncomfortable but necessary true statement than to simply say a soothing, popular and unnecessary and unproductive lie. After all, lying doesn't cost anything, because society memory of you isn't perfectly logical and unbiquitous.

[–] danielbln 2 points 1 year ago

How does one bring market prediction like incentives into politics, I wonder. How to cure populism?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I live in Spain

The main issue for the left is the right wing press continuously attacks and they don’t have much to counter it. This pushes the swing voters towards the PP (Party Popular) which was in government until brought down by Sanchez in a vote of no confidence following a scandal. PSOE subsequently one an election and governs with other left wing parties.

The left, at least, has Yolanda Díaz. She has united the left that are not PSOE into an alliance called Sumar that’s pushing back hard against the right. She’s a labour lawyer and has done a lot for the working class. Hopefully they’ll remember this tomorrow.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

It's something I see in Germany, too

Right wing media has no problem with extremely populist issues while there is no left wing equivalent since all the left wing newspapers are more intellectual

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