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Don’t Fall for the Third-Party Trick (web.archive.org)

submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by jordanlund to c/politics

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"Progressives should not make the same mistake that Ernst Thälmann made in 1932. The leader of the German Communist Party, Thälmann saw mainstream liberals as his enemies, and so the center and left never joined forces against the Nazis. Thälmann famously said that 'some Nazi trees must not be allowed to overshadow a forest' of social democrats, whom he sneeringly called 'social fascists.'

After Adolf Hitler gained power in 1933, Thälmann was arrested. He was shot on Hitler’s orders in Buchenwald concentration camp in 1944."

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body. If the forces of democracy take decisive, terroristic action against the reaction from the very beginning, the reactionary influence in the election will already have been destroyed

Karl Marx 1850

[–] jordanlund 7 points 3 months ago (59 children)

Marx didn't live long enough to see just how ineffectual that line of thinking actually is.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

I don't think "ineffectual" is the word you're looking for there.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Same capitalists trying the same failed tactics of voter suppression.

Every one of his perspectives of capitalism and it's bourgeoisie governments still rings true.

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[–] riodoro1 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

„Democracy”

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It can be even more crooked than the article states. You HAVE to have 270 electoral votes to get the presidency.

If third party candidates in any capacity wins some electoral votes, there's a good chance that no one at all will get at least 270 total.

When that happens, it means the House gets to pick anyone they want who was on the ticket, by majority vote.

In this manner, a third party candidate could get 135, trump could get 134, Harris could get 269, and then even though the cast majority of people would have voted for Harris, the House, which is currently republican led would simply just vote Trump into office.

This is also why it's pretty much impossible for a third party candidate to ever become president, unless the third party was already the house majority beforehand. No matter how great a third party candidate could be, there's just no way one could appear and take enough electoral votes to total 270 in an election, even if they were the clear majority winner by public vote. "The house always wins."

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[–] someguy3 7 points 3 months ago

I see a ton of this here, especially from a certain instance.

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