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[–] HootinNHollerin 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What the heck is up w the urine tax?

[–] PugJesus 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The Emperor Vespasian decided he needed more income, but didn't feel raising the proportions of existing taxes was appropriate. So he instituted a new tax - on urine. Urine was, bizarrely enough, purchased for leatherworking and cleaning - it's the ammonia - so buyers had to pay a tax on urine sold that was collected from public lavatories from then on.

Vespasian's son, Titus, expressed disgust at the tax, but Vespasian is said to have waved a gold coin under his nose, and told him that the coin came from urine, yet it didn't smell. From which we get the modern Latin phrase 'Pecunia non olet' - 'Money doesn't smell'

Also, for this reason, some Romance languages still use words derived from Vespasian's name for urinals.

[–] HootinNHollerin 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Fascinating! I have heard it was used for cleaning but didn’t really believe it.

Reminds me of being a kid and driving past cow feeding lots in Kansas and my dad always saying ’smells like money’

[–] PugJesus 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The urine has to be given time to, uh, ferment, to get the ammonia concentrated. I imagine it was none-too-pleasant work, lmao

[–] HootinNHollerin 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)
[–] PugJesus 2 points 5 months ago

Aw, thanks, you'll make me blush! I'm just trying to spread love for how fascinating the past is, and the history trivia I've picked up over the years and have never found a practical use for, lmao

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Urine was an important component of several industries in Rome, it was in tanning leather, wool production, and used as a source of ammonia for the laundering of togas:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecunia_non_olet

[–] Chip_Rat 3 points 5 months ago

It's a privilege to pee.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I'm guessing this is in decreasing order of prestige? Slaves were expensive, piss was not (although it wasn't worthless like today).