Fuckers like this make me regret my career in IT
this post was submitted on 03 Sep 2024
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Kevin, seriously, what actual value do you serve to the human race? What do you do that makes life better overall? I don’t mean new toys or new companies that produce more shit, what do you make for the average person that makes their life better? Nothing, is that answer. You had a chance way back, educational software could have been a human life changer.. but no, you couldn’t make money on it. So go fuck your self. Vafancullo
It’s time to hold idiots like this guy accountable.
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Up up with the workers
Yeah yeah!
Down down with the bosses
Boom boom!
It’s valid. I don’t check email unless I’m at work, fire me.
Two way street, right Kevin...? What an ass.
Oh that’s employees boss. We’re the majority actually. And if you stop us from organizing or voting we’re still the majority, just angrier.
There are a lot of jobs that require out of hours support, specifically those that aren't tied to business hours. In tech at least, many of the sites and services you use are built off the backs of software engineers that are paged at 5am because latency is a little higher than normal.
I don't raise this to say that this rule is bullshit, but to say that there are a lot of arguments that will be used to push people to work longer than their allotted hours. IMO this is absolutely required, but I would go further and say that any contact outside of working hours implies a working contract, and guarantees that the employee is paid for the disruption caused. That includes on-call too, which is often unpaid.
Labor laws in the US are, frankly, hilariously bad. You deserve unlimited sick pay, at least 25 days holiday (separate from sick leave), and the removal of at-will employment. What is described here is the bare minimum of what you should have.
Hey guess what, some people have to work on weekends too. Seems like we were able to figure that one out no problem.
Those of us who admin critical systems know when we're responsible and know which folks call us regarding those systems. I'm not answering a call from a random manager but If the engineering chain calls, they don't abuse the privilege.
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Who the fuck would call their employee after hours? In none of the places I've ever worked, would the boss even think about calling me to do something when I'm not at work. Nobody would expect me to answer. You don't need a law about basic things like that.
See, you're just lucky. Many folks don't have good bosses, so a law like this is good.
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This law isn't catered to you personally, don't you think there are bosses or work places that call their employees after hours - it's pretty common. I don't mind, but I get mails and messages after hours and just answer them.
It does effect me without me knowing in some ways, but I personally feel it's more important to help someone, that also might be stressed and decide to contact me, for some help or questions.
If the person or boss isn't an asshole I don't mind, but not everyone has that luxury, of having a boss that cares. Often they don't want to contact you after hours.
Why I do respond sometimes out of my own convenience I'm careful to schedule the message for work hours so it's clear to people when they can expect a response.
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Couple of weeks back I was on holiday in Corfu. The number work has for me - and by extension the people who I work with - is my personal phone number, for which the company pays me a small stipend every month.
I was genuinely expecting a couple of calls because that’s just how it rolls, but nope. Got nothing. It was lovely.
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JFC, as a business owner I 100% not expect my employees to be reachable after hours. Why do these idiots don’t understand the basic principle: happy employee is productive employee. Understanding life happens and work is ‘just’ work. Give and take equally, be reasonable about stuff - basic human empathy… I hold my own personal time in high regard, it would be insane not to hold other people’s personal time in high regard too.
But Kevin O'Leary is a very honerable man /s