this post was submitted on 02 Sep 2024
36 points (76.5% liked)

Shows and TV

373 readers
297 users here now

Open discussion of Media / Shows / Television

  1. Be nice
  2. Don't go off topic
  3. Don't rage farm

Other communities

We are still open to mod application, please comment on this post: https://lemm.ee/post/40675177

founded 2 months ago
MODERATORS
top 16 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago

This is a shocking writeup, of a kind with all the "keep your politics out of my Star Trek" stuff. I mean...

It’s one thing to know that the elves freely used Sauron’s Rings of Power when they didn’t know who created them, but after a whole scene about how they’re the tools of the enemy, watching the elves put the rings on anyway felt ridiculous, a sudden introduction of ends justifying means that was simply foreign to Tolkien’s world by clear design.

My brother in Ilúvatar, the entire reason they give Frodo the One Ring in the first place is they held a whole summit to decide if they try to use it or destroy it and the only reason they don't use it is Elrond tells them it won't work because it's Sauron's. And even then Gloin has this whole thing where they try to figure out if they can find the rest of the rings and they go over them one by one to see if there are any available to use.

And then Frodo refuses to destroy the ring anyway and they only save the world because Gollum kept enough teeth in working order.

Hell, Elrond explicitly says nothing is black and white in the process of explaining this to everybody:

And that is another reason why the Ring should be destroyed: as long as it is in the world it will be a danger even to the Wise. For nothing is evil in the beginning. Even Sauron was not so. I fear to take the Ring to hide it. I will not take the Ring to wield it.’

FWIW, I thought the first season of RoP was... fine? It's a weird adaptation to attempt, but in the vast, sad landscape of derivative LotR work it's far from the worst. I'd watch it over the Hobbit movies any day, honestly. I haven't started the second season, but I will definitely get around to it at some point, and it's entirely possible I will feel it misses the moral core of Tolkien's work... but I'd certainly not express it in the terms presented in this article.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The quality issues of "Rings of Power" aside, for anyone who believes that Tolkien's works don't include moral grayness, there is only one response: Fëanor.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

No need to go even that far, Tom Bombadil is as morally gray or neutral as a character can be.

He doesn't care about right or wrong, he's just having good time banging his beautiful wife and singing songs about her

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

I like how at the Council of Elrond, someone suggests entrusting the One Ring to Tom Bombadil, because he could be trusted to misuse it and Elrond is like "nah, that's the problem — he's so disinclined to its power that he'd use it as a paperweight and misplace it or something"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Fwiw, I see Jack Black and Renee Elise Goldsberry for these roles.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

How is qualified again, "fiercest soul to have ever lived in Arda", or something along those lines?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The way I interprete Tolkien, I think he meant Fëanor as an example how even the best among the best can be corrupted by their hatred. He does not mince words in regards to Fëanor's positive attributes after all.

For Fëanor was made the mightiest in all parts of body and mind: in valour, in endurance, in beauty, in understanding, in skill, in strength and subtlety alike: of all the Children of Ilúvatar, and a bright flame was in him.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Thank you for the quote!

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Rings of Power is introducing an entire series to a society that doesn't need it: another half-assed fanfic of Tolkein-ish tropes slathered in bland gravy and twice as boring.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Hey, you're right! No idea why you even posted such a wispy fart of a comment, but good job?

[–] Alteon 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't know. I sorta loved the show. It was mysterious and fantastical. Sure, I could see it being a bit slow, but I enjoyed it thoroughly. The pacing didn't feel rushed, and I felt like the character development was well done. Not every show needs to be action-packed.

Haven't made it through S2 yet.

[–] Anticorp 2 points 2 months ago

Is s2 out? I enjoyed the first season too.

[–] ocassionallyaduck 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This has ruined ALL of Disney's live action remakes, and many of its latest animated projects for me as well.

Just make a villain a villain. Every villain doesn't have to be a misunderstood genius. Give me more Ursula and Malificent (OG). The Malificent film was a great one-off, but it taught all the wrong lessons to the suits, and now we get "relatable" villains only. Classic, straight up mean bitch super witch Malificent is no more. She originally cursed that girl over not being invited guys. Malificent was the ultimate hater.

Now they'd wanna give Jafar a miniseries about how he's only greedy and betraying the Sultan cause he saw the plight of the poor or something. And don't get me started on the way they are ruining Scar in the unnecessary Mufasa film... Ugh.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I thought this was going to be about the ridiculous scene with the orc family that just wants to live in peace.

[–] Nuke_the_whales 2 points 2 months ago

I haven't seen it yet.

But I always wanted a story about the post war of the ring orcs just wanting a place to live and survive in peace

At the end of the day, the people who are loudest about this show are the ones who hated the entire concept of it and will shit on it no matter how good it is