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Journalist Richard Medhurst arrested under Britain’s Terrorism Act (www.wsws.org)

submitted 2 months ago by shish_mish to c/[email protected]

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[–] TheGrandNagus 49 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Is there a less clearly biased source for this? I struggle to take articles seriously when they use emotive language and hyperbole in seemingly every sentence.

This article also straight up accuses NATO of waging a proxy war against Russia and says they're using Ukraine as their battleground.

It repeatedly calls Russia's invasion "NATO's war" ffs

Calling this person a journalist is also a bit of a joke. From what I can see, he mostly just peddles tankie content and conspiracies on his YouTube channel. If that's what passes as being a journalist these days we're in real trouble lol

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Is there a less clearly biased source for this?

The first page and a half of my Google news search brings up just a whole host of partisan sources, from The Times of Israel to the Tehran Times. I can genuinely find nothing from a UK paper or broadcaster. That's a bit weird.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

MOre than a bit weird indeed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

It's possible more reliable sources are waiting for a police statement or the details of any charges, so their reports might take a day or so.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Independent journalist Richard Medhurst was arrested by British police under Section 12 of the Terrorism Act

Just for clarity he's an independent journalist not a journalist for the independent newspaper.

He's just some rag who posts a lot on his blog. He's not exactly mainstream. Which is presumably why there isn't a lot of news about this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He also regularly writes for and appears on Al Mayadeen (Hezbollah affiliates), the Iranian Regime's Press TV, and Russia Today.

And yes, you would be correct if you guessed his views on Syria's Bashar al-Assad based on this information.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A vocal critic of NATO’s war against Russia in Ukraine

Stopped reading there.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

It was really clever how NATO convinced Russia to attack Ukraine, but then get their asses handed to them, so that NATO could come in with weapons to support Ukraine and so engage in this proxy war. That was some pretty sophisticated 3D chess that was.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What did he actually say? Plenty of high-profile people have denounced what's happening in Gaza. Either he said something 'extra' or he's been singled out for some reason...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

He claims he's the first person to be arrested under this law, that was introduced in 2000, so he must have said something pretty "extra" if what he claims is true.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

The Canary has some details:

posted a video on social media explaining the situation. He said that on Thursday 15 August he was escorted off a plane by six cops. They explained that he was being arrested under Section 12 of the Terrorism Act 2000 – for, quote:

expressing an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed organisation

Presumably, in Medhurst’s case this is either Hamas or Hezbollah.

They also explain that he's not the first "journalist" to be arrested under this law.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

He says he was arrested under section 12 of the Terrorism Act 2000 which makes it illegal to stay anything even remotely non critical about a "proscribed organisation" like Hamas. It is extraordinarily repressive.

To clarify this is part of what section 12 says:

Proscription makes it a criminal offence to: express an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed organisation, reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support a proscribed organisation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't have a problem with any element of that law.

I'm profoundly comfortable with people being arrested and imprisoned for substantial sentences for expressing support for Hamas and similar Jihadi terror groups.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Only a handful of countries consider Hamas a terror group. Funnily enough these are the same countries that are complicit in Israel's genocide in Gaza.

This is a "leopards ate my face" law. It's fine until you get caught up in it however unlikely that appears now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Only a handful of countries consider Hamas a terror group. Funnily enough these are the same countries that are complicit in Israel’s genocide in Gaza.

Those are also more or less the only countries I'd trust to be able to correctly identify a terrorist group.

This is a “leopards ate my face” law. It’s fine until you get caught up in it however unlikely that appears now.

I simply don't support terrorist organisations. It isn't difficult.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Hamas being designated a terrorist group arose because of US and Israeli pressure to de-legitimise any entity that represents Palestinians in the same way that the PLO was regarded as a terror group pre Oslo.

It is political repression and nothing more.

Many of these same countries branded Nelson Mandela and the ANC as a terror group.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The PLO was a terror group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma'alot_massacre

Two examples off the top of my head of a terrorist group engaging in terrorist violence.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yes that's my point. They were a terror group and then weren't when the US decided. In the same way that Sudan was a state sponsor of terror until the US decided otherwise.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-55300252

In both cases recognising the occupation of Palestine made them not terrorists.

Also if committing massacres made the PLO a terror group then surely Israel and it's military wing should be a state sponsor of terror many times over since October 7th but instead it receives billions in funding and weapons from the US and UK

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour_massacre

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuseirat_refugee_camp_massacre

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148876

As I said it is a form of political repression.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Also if committing massacres made the PLO a terror group

No, it's when you commit terrorist acts that you become a terrorist group. Like the PLO did, repeatedly, over many many years, and bragged about.

Terrorists are by definition non-state actors.

And yes I've seen the Pallywood stuff coming out of Gaza just like everyone else has. It's the same bullshit they pull every time they cross a line and find their shit getting pushed in by Israel like in Lebanon in 1982.

receives billions in funding and weapons from the US and UK

In 2023 total UK arms exports to Israel totalled £18.2 million. We do not provide them with foreign financial assistance.

So you were only off by a little bit.

In 2023 Israel received approx. £3.3 bn in foreign assistance from the USA, the large majority loaned to purchase US supplies of both defensive and offensive munitions. That same year, Egypt also received about £1.5 bn in foreign assistance from the USA, Jordan £1.7 bn, etc.

As I said it is a form of political repression.

Yes, that's why it's good

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And yes I've seen the Pallywood stuff coming out of Gaza just like everyone else has.>

You're a genocide denier. I'm done with you

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Yes, in the same sense that I deny the existence of unicorns. I'm also a unicorn-denier.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You say only a handful of countries and then you list a shit ton of countries. Made to look smaller by lumping all of the EU into one country.

How many members are in the EU again?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

There are 195 countries in the world.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

He's said a lot since October 7th and before it.

A selection of more recent ones by running a search for his tweets using the word 'Hamas'

https://x.com/richimedhurst/status/1802965814053670956

Hamas' Qassam Brigades are guerilla fighters engaged in armed struggle against an occupying power, which is their right under international law.

https://x.com/richimedhurst/status/1795133769172623378

The only men on this planet willing to do something about children being murdered in Gaza are to be found in Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Resistance Axis. So obviously the Western Zionist media have no answer but to frame these Resistance fighters as "terrorists"

https://x.com/richimedhurst/status/1794489366276194554

Hamas have just captured a group of Israeli soldiers

LOL

https://x.com/richimedhurst/status/1792472920029012293

Iran’s president and foreign minister have died.

If it is an act of God, there is naught we can say. If it was an act of treachery, this will not deter or hinder the Resistance.

Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah have always become stronger after losses like this.

The struggle continues.

https://x.com/richimedhurst/status/1785809457194188820

Why do you denounce Hamas and Hezbollah?

Do you also denounce the French resistance when you condemn the Nazis?

I'm so bored of Westerners comparing the only armed front that Palestinians/Arabs have to their oppressors, and acting like this is some kind of nuanced comment

https://x.com/richimedhurst/status/1781613656238620939

They hate Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. because they fight back. Because they refuse to roll over when the Israelis and Americans snap their fingers.

That is the only reason, and nothing else.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Good, for months now he's openly expressed his support and encouragement for a proscribed terrorist organisation, i.e. Hamas. He's not ambiguous about this: he thinks October 7th was great and that Hamas should do it again. He literally travelled to Iran and posted photos next to IRGC rockets and missiles with the caption "Long live the resistance".

He's not a journalist. He's a vicious antisemite who takes pleasure in attacking Jews and is a proud and unrepentant promoter and supporter of terrorism.

Throw away the key. I don't know why he's allowed into the country at all.