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[–] Visstix 18 points 3 months ago (27 children)

What does genocide have to do with voting though? Is there a choice? With abortion there is.

[–] Fades 34 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Yes Kamala is in favor of a two state solution and thinks more should be done to protect the innocents caught in the middle, and Trump told Netanyahu to “finish the job”.

Quite the choice.

[–] riodoro1 5 points 3 months ago

two state solution

That’s the thing they say when they mean „I don’t give a shit people are dying, israel does what it wants”

[–] Visstix 1 points 3 months ago

Ah I was thinking it was genocide vs genocide+. But that's an even easier choice then.

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[–] paddirn 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Except for southern “blue dog” Democrats, Abortion is a relatively “safe” topic to pander to single-issue voters on because the only people hyper-opposed to it are single-issue voters on the other side who were never going to vote liberal anyways. There’s virtually no down-side.

Israel is a more thorny & nuanced issue for Democrats though and not as clear cut. Israel is committing genocide and we shouldn’t be supporting them, but there’s alot of Jewish-American voters in key states, you’ve got AIPAC and a plethora of other Jewish/Israeli lobbies with alot of influence, you’ve got big military contractors who like Israeli money, and then you’ve got bigwigs in the military who see Israel as a strategic partner. Completely dropping support for Israel risks upsetting alot of interests and handing them over to Republicans to be used against Democrats. It’s shitty, but I’m assuming that’s the calculus going on with Democratic leadership.

Also, Israel is much much less reliant on the US for aid than in times past, and I think there’s a fear that if we stop supplying them, somebody else will and then we’ll have absolutely no influence over anything they do. We have much less influence over them than alot of people think. If they saddle up with China or Russia, the gloves come off and I think we’d see it much worse than it is now. As hard as that is to imagine, it can always get worse. And if we let Republicans get control, it will get worse.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Also, Israel is much much less reliant on the US for aid than in times past, and I think there’s a fear that if we stop supplying them, somebody else will and then we’ll have absolutely no influence over anything they do.

It seems like the prevailing narrative tries as hard as it can to bury this fact. Unilaterally withdrawing aid doesn't magically make Israel stop what they're doing, they can easily get support elsewhere. All unilaterally withdrawing does is throw away our only real bargaining chip to try and nudge them toward ceasefire.

[–] Keeponstalin 1 points 3 months ago

Who else is going to provide military aid to Israel? They are increasingly a pariah state

[–] zeephirus 2 points 3 months ago

sooo what you're saying is.... MONEY MONEY MONEY!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Most liberals kinda hate anti-abortion single-issue voters though...

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Who's the anti-genocide candidate in this election?

[–] Linkerbaan 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Jill Stein, Cornel West orLibertarians.

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