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Barcelona is banning Airbnbs. Other European cities have cracked down already — with some success. (www.businessinsider.com)
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[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Munich is handling it really well in my opinion. They have rules for homeowners, which are that an apartment cannot be empty for more than 3 months, cannot be used (fully) as an office (of course you can have an office in your apartment) and that the apartment can be used as vacation home for a maximum of 8 weeks per year. I just checked Airbnb again and the offers are sparse.

If Airbnb would be used by renters to offer their home in times where they aren't there themselves, then it's a great concept. However capitalism fucked everything over and now it's just used to generate income by rich people who can afford to buy accommodation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The original idea of the Airbnb precursors was to allow people to stay in your guest-room when you are actually there yourself. The very idea of letting strangers stay in your house when you are not there, seems odd to me at least, unless it isn't actually your home and you only see it as temporary accommodation when you can't rent it out.

But 8 weeks? I think an apartment in a good location can be more profitable in 8 weeks of Airbnb rental during summer, which the occasional cheap offer every 3 months to work around that rule. But sure, it would be less profitable than running an Airbnb rental without these restrictions.

My guess to why there are so few Airbnb rentals in Munich is rather that the housing market there has been overheated for so long already, that there are simply few offers available that would be cheap enough to buy and turn into an AirBnB rental. In addition, people are desperately clinging to their slightly cheaper old rental contracts, so there are simply very few suitable apartments available in general.

[–] daddy32 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

So in effect you cannot have a second home in Munich? And what are the repercussions for violating these rules?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why would you want to have two homes in the same city? It's hard enough finding one apartment, if people go around having multiple accommodations, it's just unfair for everyone else.

[–] daddy32 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Maybe two homes in two cities? For any combination of personal/family and work related reasons? I'm just dreaming here :)

[–] jqubed 5 points 3 months ago

I would see people owning multiple homes in a vacation scenario. It used to be fairly common where I live for people to have a vacation home at the beach or in the mountains. These were relatively inexpensive and people would go down perhaps for a week or two in the summer and often spend long holiday weekends there also. The homes could also be rented out to other vacationers when the owners weren’t using them. Usually there would be multiple local agencies that would handle the scheduling, and in the pre-internet days they would publish booklets with a picture or two of the houses and the weekly rates that varied with peak rental season. This worked pretty well and there were usually still plenty of houses for local residents who lived there year-round and even temporary workers who just came for the peak tourism season.

This has changed in more recent years, though, especially since the pandemic. At the beach many of the cheap, small old houses have been torn down and much larger, more expensive houses have been built. Sometimes investors have even been approved to build one house on a lot, then go ahead and build duplex or even triplex homes and the towns don’t make them tear it down or give any other significant penalty. At the Outer Banks the vacation season shifted from summer to year round and investors have turned almost all available properties into short-term vacation rentals. Given the distance from the mainland this has made it difficult for seasonal workers to find housing, to the extent that some shops and restaurants have started offering housing to employees as a way to attract workers.

Of course, a vacation scenario is even less tenable at scale in an ordinary city than someplace built primarily for tourists.

[–] NessD 4 points 3 months ago

If you ever tried to live in Munich, you don't need a second house that's vacant. Rent is among the highest in Europe and people in the middle class pay up to 80% of their salary for rent, it gets worse in lower income brackets. The city cannot afford to have premises vacant.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It’s good news just considering that Peter #Thiel is a stakeholding¹ cofounder of airbnb. This is the same motherfucker who got Trump into power in 2016 by using Cambridge Analytica, Facebook and Thiel’s dark money contributions -- which more recently got JD Vance into power. Also the same xenophobic scumbag motherfucker behind Palantir. The same piece of shit who cofounded PayPal (a surveillance capitalist). Thiel’s profits are detrimental to the world.

¹ to be clear he was a stakeholder ~10 years ago… not sure if that’s still the case.

[–] daddy32 8 points 3 months ago

Nice work, not many people know/remember all of this. Whenever Facebook tried to spin a "rogue scientist took our data" I responded - you mean you handed it to the company with the same motherfucker in board and plenty of other connections. Brexit, trump and who knows what else (effective Russian propaganda in Europe?) is of their doing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Don’t forget the whole "injecting yourself with childrens blood to regain youth"-thing

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

Media in my country keeps reporting there arent enough houses, while failing to report there are 85,000 airbnbs

fuck airbnb

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Better route is to limit it so that rentals to non hotel licensed entities can not offer any time less than a month, or a year in neighborhoods where a minimum of 10% of the units are owned by landlords

[–] daddy32 3 points 3 months ago

But that will make some people scream "Hotel lobby!"