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I just worked out why Sunak gave his speech in the rain... (feddit.uk)

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Okay, something the younger ones amongst you might not he conscious of. For wonkish political nerds in the UK of a certain age (I think roughly ranging from older millennials in their late-30s to the Cameron/Osborne/Clegg/Miliband generation in their mid-50s) and regardless of their political party affiliation (I've found this equally true of Labour, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats), probably the piece of popular culture that has most influenced how they think about the 'romance' of politics is Aaron Sorkin's The West Wing, which aired in the late 1990s and early 2000s. It's brilliant TV and anyone who hasn't seen it should watch it.

Sunak is a very wonkish political nerd in that age bracket. He's also someone with a particular relationship and affiliation with the United States. I would guess he is almost certainly a West Wing fan.

I've been thinking about The West Wing lately because of an article Sorkin wrote for the NYT, comparing the scenario around Biden and the 'will he/won't he' be the Democratic presidential candidate to his season two finale when President Bartlet - who has been concealing from the public that he suffered from multiple scelerosis - disclosed his illness and then, under huge political pressure not to stand for re-election due to his condition, dramatically changed his mind at the last minute and revealed he would.

The ending scene of Bartlet heading to the press conference to the soundtrack of Dire Straits is a top 5 moment for any fan of the series. It's tipping it down with rain and Bartlet shows up, drenched, walks out in front of the world's media like a heroic figure battling the very elements themselves, and commences his re-election campaign.

I hadn't made the link before but, now that I think about, I am certain that is exactly how Sunak and his advisors thought he was going to look on the TV news that night! We all spent all that time joking about how this man who claimed to have 'a plan' couldn't even rustle up an umbrella in a rainstorm - but the lack of an umbrella was deliberate! Oh dear god, the poor man thought that was his Jed Bartlet moment!

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[–] tla 15 points 4 months ago

The opposing theory is one of being an incompetent fuckwit. Bojo, Lettuce and Sunak. The holy trinity of fuckwittery.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

It's entirely plausible. I'm positive they have the ego and lack of perception for it but I think it's simpler than that - they're just stupid.

[–] steeznson 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

One of my more left wing pals has a theory about The West Wing as having falsely imprinted the idea into the Democrats that every policy requires compromise with the other side. She believes this has critically undermined the left wing agenda since the politics nerds who grew up watching the show took it to be instructive as opposed to ficticious entertainment. Essentially it indirectly dragged the overton window over to the right.

I've not actually seen it so hard to judge the argument. I think I've seen clips where they are discussing watering bills down to get it "through the floor". Need to actually sit down and watch it some time so I can make my own mind up. Personally it seems like the overton window has beem dragged in two different directions simultaneously for the past 25 years: people are more socially liberal than ever but they are economically more conservative too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Interesting. I do think The West Wing has encouraged that among American liberals, although I don't think it originated it.

For 6 out of Bill Clinton's 8 years as President, the Republicans controlled the House of Representatives. And for the entire 12 years of Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush, the Democrats controlled the House. The notion that politicians need to work across party boundaries to pass legislation used to be normal in America.

The West Wing's issue is that it prominently espoused this view just as things were changing and giving way to the modern American political culture of division and extreme partisanship on the right - and you obviously can't cooperate with extremists who see any form of cooperation as a betrayal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I havent seen West Wing because I thought it wouldn't have aged well. Is it still watchable?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

It depends what you’re looking for. As a TV drama, it’s timeless. The characters are great, the humour and wit is great.

But the politics is very much of its time - it came out relatively early in the era in which extreme partisanship in the US (and wider Western world) was taking hold, and so often hearkened back to an earlier halcyon era of bipartisan cooperation - from a modern perspective, in the age of Trump, Brexit, etc, that attitude will look quite naive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

It's still extremely watchable.

Although if you don't care for Sorkin's dialogue style, it probably won't be for you. As far as politics go, it was a bit of an idealized representation then and it's even moreso now.