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On Reddit, my karma was always weighted more on the question side than on the comment side. I felt bad for not being a valuable contributor to people's lives rather than being selfish and always asking things for myself. Lemmy has gotten rid of that point system so now I feel like I can feel free to ask as many questions as I need without having to balance my karma. Also, I have noticed that I participate so much more on this platform than I ever did on Reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's surprising how much just keeping track can mess with behavior, eh?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it meme

(edit: I don't know why it wasn't loading, have now uploaded directly to lemmy)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

10/10 futurama reference

[–] favrion 2 points 1 year ago

I suppose so.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It’s the main reason why Reddit was a giant circle jerk. I like here that you can upvote and downvote things but it’s not connected to your account at all. Just connected to the comment or post, as it should be.

[–] favrion 3 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

My problem is that I'm not a poster.

I just don't think of things and then think "oh, I should share this with the world". If I have a question, I tend to enjoy the process of finding the answer unless it's game related, so thinking of crowd sourcing an answer rarely occurs to me.

But! While I'm less likely to run across things on lemmy that trigger my gush button because my interests are niche-ish, I tend to be willing to put in effort into such things.

Same with things that trigger my curiosity; if I don't have info that's useful, and I want that info, chances are I'll come back and share what I find and put effort into it.

Lemmy hasn't caught up with the population sizes of my niche interests enough for my old drive to help or discover to get triggered often though. It will, I'm sure, but it'll take time now that a solid user base has formed that will spread awareness of the platform organically.

[–] Glemek 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Asking questions is valuable to an online community though. People need to ask questions so that others can answer, and plenty of them (often myself included) won't post questions they have and will just search around hoping someone else already did.

[–] chronically_crazy 1 points 1 year ago

I've really enjoyed the questions asked here, and I've found the communities feedback to be invaluable.

And not all of those questions have been asked by me.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lemmy has gotten rid of that point system so now I feel like I can feel free to ask as many questions as I need without having to balance my karma.

Oh we can totally still see that:

Favrion's Karma

If anything it's even weirder because I can only see your karma from the perspective of the communities we have in common. So even if you do comment a lot on some other community I'm not part of, you're very post/question heavy from my perspective.

That aside, think of it this way: nobody can comment if there's nothing to comment on, and nobody's gonna ask questions or post things if there's nobody to answer them. Even lurkers that just vote are important for this kind of ecosystem.

I'm just not a big poster, I rarely have questions, I rarely get so wow'd at content that I want to share it with other people. Well I wouldn't have any content to look at if it wasn't for all those people that actual post things, and I wouldn't have questions to answer or comments to share if there wasn't anyone to post content.

The number exists, and it doesn't matter.

Did it even really matter on Reddit? I've always thought that post karma was a lot more powerful and much easier to get than comment karma. One good post on Reddit and your post karma explodes, that's much rarer on comments, you just need lots of comments with like 5 upvotes each to very slowly build up that karma.

Mine for comparison:

My Lemmy Karma

Boy am I sparking some interesting conversations on there huh

[–] subnuggurat 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In your own personal opinion, what's the motivation for keeping an eye on karma? How would the experience change if you didn't have the possibility of racking up points/karma at all?

[–] favrion 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My sense of community involvement depended on my karma count. I didn't want to be perceived as a person consistently asking for answers rather than contributing them. I guess without karma that preoccupation goes away.

[–] subnuggurat 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks for replying. I personally enjoy it more without the personal ranking system. I think it stopped a lot of people from contributing for fear of public (and evident) disapproval while giving some people motivation to flood the site with low quality content just for the points. I still like the up/downvotes though but as a metric for the content, not the user.

[–] Zaktor 2 points 1 year ago

Post karma and comment karma don't map to questions and answers though. Maybe in some very specific subs posting=questions, but most post karma is posting links and memes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I only ever found two uses for karma on Reddit.

There were some subreddits that imposed a limit on commenters requiring them to be above a certain karma threshold before they could comment or post, which most people would probably pass in a matter of weeks. I can see the use of this as a spam prevention mechanism, but it's a pretty trivial thing if you're a "real" account that's sticking around for a while.

And when I passed 100k karma I applied for membership with the "century club" subreddit out of curiousity to see what was going on in there. Turned out it was pretty boring. Oh well. As far as I'm aware there's no such thing as a "private" community in the Fediverse so this wouldn't even be possible here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

As you can see in the docs there is comment_score and post_score attached to every user. But you can always decide to not care about it, and I strongly recommend that

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

hate to break it to you but you have 1512 reputation points

[–] favrion 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

idk it was more karma than I ever had. always toiling away in the comments of less popular subreddits.

Currently I have 1737 rep points. It says I joined a month ago and you joined 3 weeks ago so I think you are beating me by a bit. I guess your strategy is working! :D

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huh ... found myself on kbin and found out I also have reputation points.

I hate it! But, this is kinda the messiness of the fediverse at play. There are a few design/platform things which can only be guaranteed within the bounds of your instance, where beyond that it is kinda the wild west of the internet unless instance defederation is done.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

if you could figure out where the point "live" maybe it would be possible to reset them to 0 on a periodic basis.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, the thing about the fediverse is that things don't live in one place ... they're distributed across the federation. Right now our comments, which are coming from different instances, are being copied over to each other's instances and live on both instances, as well as every other instance that subscribes to this community.

Platforms can have agreements about doing certain things like deletion when a request for such a thing is sent out, and then rely on defederating from any platform that contravenes those agreements, which is a method that is both messy, unreliable but surprisingly effective, and also, all we have.

As for karma, it seems kbin is keen on it and lemmy not so much. Forming some agreement about karma calculations being opt-in might make sense now that both platforms have matured in their user base sizes.

[–] favrion 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Trying to contribute more

[–] Crow 1 points 1 year ago

I had hundreds of thousands of karma on Reddit. I keep forgetting that’s here too. I stopped caring a while ago anyhow.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is tracked btw its just that your instance of Lemmy is deciding not to display it. You have 1512 reputation.

[–] favrion 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How do I make that public?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do you need to make it public?

[–] favrion 1 points 1 year ago

So people can tell that I'm legit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Switch to an instance that displays it, like kbin. I don't think you can on lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

if you switch to kbin, you can then use Kbin Enhancement Suite to hide it. :) edit: from yourself, not from others.

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