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GNOME June 2024: C'mon you can do better (lemmy.world)

submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by TCB13 to c/[email protected]

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New GNOME dialog on the right:

Apple's dialog:

They say GNOME isn't a copy of macOS but with time it has been getting really close. I don't think this is a bad thing however they should just admit it and then put some real effort into cloning macOS instead of the crap they're making right now.

Here's the thing: Apple's design you'll find that they carefully included an extra margin between the "Don't Save" and "Cancel" buttons. This avoid accidental clicks on the wrong button so that people don't lose their work when they just want to click "Cancel".

So much for the GNOME, vision and their expert usability team :P

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Wait - Gnome user here (heavily modified and with multiple extensions) ...

macOS window management and trying to using it via keyboard is a totally miserable experience (forced to use it at work :-/ ) ... at the same time, Apple thinks their users are smart enough to use tags, while Gnome developers think the user are too dump to use tags. I still happily prefer Gnome over macOS on my desktop for literally everything, macOS has no proper software management, all apps try to up-sell me on their shitty i-cloud offerings, setup cannot be properly automated, the 'auto features' totally suck and do everything I do not want them to do and macOS feels too slow for the hardware it runs on...

Gnome sucks, but it sucks less for me than all other alternatives on the desktop at the moment...

My biggest reason to stick with Gnome are Wayland, Evolution/Online Accounts and that I can automatically configure Gnome to something usable with dconf/gsettings. I am not holding my breath that KDE ever gets their KMail story under control, stability as in zero crashes and being fully configurable via Ansible. The very moment this happens, I'll happily jump ship. (Of course also waiting for Wayland support for Xfce :-P)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Both designs are good imo. Adding the extra space for the "cancel" button could cause a copyright claim so I think that's a viable reason why it's absent in GNOME. And I don't see anything wrong in copying Apple design. They can do what they want and the new design is very nice in terms of ease of understanding and accessibility potentials. GNOME's workflow is similar to Apple's so why not copy some more things for better consistency?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We shouldn't design desktops to avoid copyright claims. Desktops should just create original designs that make sense for the goals of the desktop. We don't need to make changes based on Windows 11 or Mac OS. They aren't separate entirely and irrelevant.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Do you mean that any copying is bad or any copying is ok as long as it helps achieve the goals?

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[–] TCB13 -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (13 children)

Both designs are good imo. Adding the extra space for the “cancel” button could cause a copyright claim

What ahaha since when a modal is copyrighted? I don't buy it, this is simply poor design by the GNOME team.

GNOME’s workflow is similar to Apple’s so why not copy some more things for better consistency?

Exactly my point, but they should learn how to properly copy things. Or at least think about them, Apple didn't add the margin for no reason.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

They should simply find the courage to implement Apples Human Interface Guidelines. It wont hurt and they are almost there anyway.

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